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In Reply to: RE: That's virtually impossible..Something had to be wrong with either posted by RGA on September 07, 2016 at 06:32:13
I knew you liked the Quads from past posts and I realize that your response to the OP was simply reiterate the fact that we can't go by distortion as a tell all to speaker quality and I agree.. I was just curious about that reviewer because I always equate lower distortion to faster speeds and I have never seen any conventional cone drivers to have the ability to match the speeds of the low mass planar types..That's all I was saying.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
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I was just curious about that reviewer because I always equate lower distortion to faster speeds and I have never seen any conventional cone drivers to have the ability to match the speeds of the low mass planar types.
Why would you equate lower distortion to faster speed? The only case I can think of when they've had anything to do with each other was back in the days when amplifier slew rate was low enough to cause TIM.
Also, the mass of a conventional tweeter dome is less than a big sheet of coated mylar. The frequency response of a Quad ESL doesn't even make it to 20 KHz. That's not very fast.
The speed of sound in air at typical room temperature, air pressure and humidity is about 1,129 feet per second, or just a little less than one foot per millisecond. I am puzzled about what the poster meant when he wrote that he equates lower distortion with faster speed.Edit: Seriously, did I actually write "less", rather than "more"?
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Edits: 09/10/16
The original Infinity Modulus system might be just the ticket.
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The issue may relate to volume level which is not always stated. And what frequencies.
I maintain that all speaker types have their pros and cons and as the OP referenced JA - well the speaker had very low distortion but the reviewer rather disliked it because of tone etc.
I think it's rather easy to push a panel and single driver to compression - whether that shows up as distortion I don't know but the 2905 and other panels I've tried generally don't do any midbass or bass dynamic drive. So sure it may not distort but then it's also not reproducing the oomph that is on the recording. So the choice is 80% of the bass material wit 0.01% THD - or do you want 95% of the bass material but with 0.8%THD? (subjective listening).
It may be that it's something you have to "get used to" and over time you will gravitate to the sound. I grew up with horns and dynamics to me is the lifeblood of music.
My old AN J/Spe did quite well in THD measurements of Hi-Fi Choice. Interestingly the THD was much lower in the bass.
Living in HK I think I could actually own a Quad - the high humidity though would concern me. And they would have to be placed close to side walls. If I do bring in a panel - the tall skinny variety would likely work better. I've always wanted a panel - and a good horn. I like the different flavours
Living in HK I think I could actually own a Quad - the high humidity though would concern me
That can be a concern but I run a dehumidifier 24/7..My ML CLX system is setup in the basement because it's very roomy but when I had the Beveridge model 3s,I had a hell of a time keeping the panels working because they didn't like the Michigan Climate where I live because I'm a in valley.I sold the speakers for what I had into them so I lost nothing and the guy moved to Arizona and had no problems with them..The Acoustats I had,I never had a lick of problems with either.I agree with everything you just posted and you are right in that all speakers have their pros and cons..This is why I use dynamic speakers for the bass and ESLs for mids and highs..I like all speaker types tho.. You will notice that many people that like ESLs,also love horns as well and vice versa.Same with Maggies or Apogees. We like that openness.
Are you in Hong Kong or Canada?
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
I live in Hong Kong now because well they actually pay teachers a real wage unlike North America. You know I worked as an accounting clerk back in 1999 making $40,000 a year with no education. Today - 2016 a starting teacher with 5.5 years minimum (requiring at least a BA and Bed start at $45,000). I would have left the field if I stayed in Canada.
The upside is I have more money to spend on audio as my apartment by the government is paid and I don't need a car here. So while that is nice - the downside is that my apartment isn't much bigger than fifth wheel.
So big speakers are out of the question. The near wall and corner AN E is understandably a great choice in a small apartment but most front ported or sealed cabinets will work fine. And the ceilings are very high so tall narrow speakers would work. Given the entire thing is concrete there is no bouncy walls or floors to sing along with the music which is also a big plus. Especially for my suspended turntable.
One attractive thing about Quad is the high impedance and general ease of drive. The problem is that I leave for a month every year so I would need to keep the dehumidifier on all the time when I am not there. I'm not big on leaving electronics on 24/7 for 30-35 days. A dehumidifier I believe require the water to be removed from the tanks frequently.
The alternative is a ribbon and I just haven't liked the ribbons. Something is lost. I could see myself with a ESL though. I may look again at King Sound. I met the owner here when we were both CD player shopping a few years back. He bough a Cayin (apparently for a friend who wanted the model) and I bought the Line Magnetic 215.
"I live in Hong Kong now because well they actually pay teachers a real wage unlike North America."
Yet, you live in a small apartment, while pretending to be a reviewer.
I gotta get me a gig like that.
I am a reviewer nothing to pretend about. Granted I may not be your cup of tea. It's not like there is a reviewer university that doles out degrees.Stereo equipment should work in a small room too. It merely limits the kinds of speakers I can review. But more people live in apartments than in houses. Especially true outside of North America. So my abode is more in line with more people. And there are plenty of readers in Asia and Europe.
My apartment is made of all concrete a big trump card over most north American homes that are made of wood flooring and wood walls and plaster wall dividers.
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