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I'm not setup yet but my listening room has been reduced to a 11.5 x 12 foot bedroom with bed. Now it's a tight listening space and the speakers are closer to me was wondering if one type of speaker type is better.
Would a taller narrow array / tower type speakers be better than a monitor type speaker in a smaller room?
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do you have space against the wall.
A small 2-way, stand mounted monitor with a small subwoofer positioned in a corner of the room might be advisable (old-school sats+sub configuration) placed in a horizontal orientation for both midfield and nearfield. Unless you seek a high-end option, something like a pair of Audioengine P4 passive 2-ways with an Audioengine S8 active subwoofer (better two subwoofers running in stereo) might be a good option to consider. I find the Audioengine P4 to perform very well for a nearfield/midfield application, with a horizontal orientation (tweeter on the outside mirroring). I would likely opt for an audiophile-friendly adjustable speaker stand in order to better optimize the soundstage presentation in such a small listening room.
I seriously wonder how the sub is going to work out in this room. I was using on. but with the furniture and bed being in a tight position - lets see???? I do think the monitor sub is the way to go. But I do have a feeling that I may need two subs. Strange it's a small room and my last room was big and needed only the one sub.
I don't want to go active being I spent a ton on audio gear.
Being it's so near field now I may consider either a ribbon type monitor or those Ohm 1000's got my attention!!!
"I seriously wonder how the sub is going to work out in this room."
The fundamental solution to your problem is to get a better paying job so you can afford a bigger room. There's a reason why studio control rooms aren't 11x12.
Beyond that, if you want to hear bass, you have to have a system which produces bass.
You may also have to do some appropriate room treatment, but with a bed and a big chair in there, you might already have that covered.
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"The fundamental solution to your problem is to get a better paying job so you can afford a bigger room. There's a reason why studio control rooms aren't 11x12."
I had a livingroom 13x12. Solution ? keep the speakers the hell out of the corners and make sure the distances to each from the corner are different. I recommend a third of the way from the corner and the pother one 1.618 that distance from the other corner. Make the whole system diagonal. Then you put your TV in the corner and you're good to go. If you got a GOOD sub, put it behind the TV but some models you might still have to equalize.
And also realize that only about ¼ of the people in this country can get a good paying job, even with skills. I am working for half what I used to make. And there are Phds applying for jobs at McDonald's. Really, about 75 % of the people simply cannot afford the kind of shit some of us have.
Get the idea, these audio fora members are mostly those who KNOW how to make money or have some SERIOUS skills. Your average person working at Subway is not interested much. If they are they have to put away a couple dollars a week for ten years to get into it. I would recommend anyone like that get a warranty on whatever they buy.
And as far as finances go, how come the room is so small ? If in the US, we are known for our "palatial mansions" as compared to the hovels in other countries.
The room I had was in a house big enough to ride a motorcycle in. Outside of missing my listening room you can keep it! Had the castle, got the T-shirt, been there done that.
My wife and I downsized our entire life. Young people don't realize this (especially the kids that bought our mansion and property) that no matter what you do that house and land own your a$$. I could afford to hire ANYONE and STILL I was breaking my hump keeping up the place. Try hiring anyone in NJ to do their job right.
In my line of work if you didn't do your job right you ended up in court.
If the array is a dipole then yes. You will get considerably less floor/ceiling bounce if it is a line source and the dipole will give you a null to the sides of the speakers that will minimize side wall reflections.
Another option is a horn speaker or at least horn tweeter. This gives a bit of directionality that will help with side wall reflections.
What I have done with my horns is a very sharp toe-in so that the reflections are minimized. You can even toe-in so extreme that the on-axis focus crosses in front of you. I have heard this work well with wider dispersion speakers with nearby side walls as it minimizes the potential for first refelections that muddy up the clarity of the sound.
I had great success with electrostats in a small room and close to side walls. You need space behind though...about 1 meter.
Broken record here but this is a job for the Audio Note K. being sealed boxed cabinets they're pretty room friendly. Stuff them tight into the corners of your room or right up against the wall (I mean as close as you can without touching).They're happy with 7 watts per channel and you get bass (from the corner) down to 36hz covering most of the audible range without begging for a sub.
With the Brexit thing the prices seem to be considerably lower than before.
Small rooms can be tough especially if the speaker is a space hog in requiring several fee behind or beside them then an already small room becomes even smaller. I have found front ported horns to work in corners pretty well because they tend to be more directional which is actually an ok thing if you are listening in the sweetspot. Still I've owned the AN K/Spe so I feel more comfortable recommending a speaker that I owned and would buy again over a speaker I liked at a show once on one day.
A less expensive option would be the AN AX Two (but they are constantly sold out so good luck ever getting one) followed by my KEF LS-50 - the LS-50 does come with port plugs and you can put them a bit closer to walls. Various LS-3/5a copycats are out there but they're all a big step down in my opinion. And not enough of a step down in price. But others like them. Indeed, you could even try on wall speakers. They take up even less room - I heard a pretty nice sounding set of M&K Speakers for on wall. Geared mainly for home theater but they still sounded nice and not terribly expensive. It's a bit out of the box thinking here but if you can give them a listen somewhere you might like them.
Even those Gallo sphere speakers might be worth a shot.
Edits: 07/11/16
36 hz botom? That i doubt based on my experience as a past owner.
It's tough to say - I have owned AN's in North America with wood framed homes and in HK with Concrete walls - AN specs are usually states as "with solid walls" which means solid - wood isn't. I can say I get far far tighter and deeper bass in Hong Kong with concrete walls than I do in Canada with wood walls - it was also my experience at audio shows - The AN E was easily a top 3 room at The Show in the Flamingo (concrete) and boomy and coloured in the CAS hotel made of paper thin rubbish walls.
The K is about 50hz apparently free standing. They have more bass than my KEF LS-50 which is rated to ~50hz by Stereophile's graphs. Either are at least 20-40hz deeper in bass than any LS-3/5a though so...
You certainly are right about walls in my case, something that has forced me to move away from AN loudspeakers, sadly.
Warren Jarret seemed to fix the problem by simply making his own corners. Won best of show and even guys who hated AN's ended up choosing them as best they had heard. But you then have to ugly up your room.
You can see what he has done here. It's a pretty simple thing and frankly all the demonstrators should see it and then use it.
Charles;
You owe it to yourself to go hear the smaller offerings from Golden Ear Technology, specifically the Aon 3 and the Triton 7 & 5.
I heard the Aon 3 with a EL-84 amp and they were amazing! The folded ribbon tweeters on those things are sublime. The 3's retail for $1100, but can be had for $850 to $900.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
My so-called listening room is only 10' x 10'.
A small-to-medium sized pair of bookshelf speakers is about it.
Steve
Isn't it obvious that monitor loudspeakers and near field listening go together?? I think if I were to have a dance party in a small room, I would bring in larger loudspeakers, but then it wouldn't really be near field listening anymore as you are trying to energize the room, not create a point of music recreation that may be more spatially revealing.
Personally I've never had a speaker that worked better in a small room (10 x 11) than an "omni" type design. Great success with both an Ohm 1000 or Omega 'Omni".
Looks like the Ohm needs a heck of a sub being it FR is 80h-20Khz
You must be looking at the specs for the small Ohm bookshelf. I'm referring to the speaker I have.(Ohm 1000) The Ohm 1000 goes down into the 30's and the smaller Micro goes down to the 40's. Both are floor standing models, but create a smaller footprint than the average stand mount with stand.
I don't know where the 80 come from but sorry.
Me like!!! Very nice speakers. After I setup everything I'll see how it all shapes up. I'm pretty well fixed for amps and stereos and even speakers. I really like my SR-71's but I also like to rotate gear to keep things spicy!!!!
I was looking at the new A26 kit. But I've been there SEVERAL times already. Again it's a small room and I would also like to try NEW things instead of going over that same old ground.
By August I'll have my sad small bedroom stereo setup again.
The Ohm 1000 is around 87db efficient. I had no problem driving them with a Latino ST70. The same amp you have. I'm sure any of your amps will be fine. I tried several conventional type monitors in my small room until I discovered a speaker that really "worked". That was initially the Ohm Micro, but then moved on to the 1000.
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I've got a pair in a bedroom and they sound pretty good.
These are very good small room speaker.
"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat" - Confucius
A bedroom system
Get rid of the bed and sleep in your listening chair.
I was thinking Lazy Boy recliner myself.
Ahh come on you guys. Play nice!
Or maybe I could stand in a hypnotic trance at the sweet spot in an empty bedroom.
Mike I am VERY seriously interested in those Ohm 1000's. Thanks - like I needed a new obsession!!!!
Two options to ponder.....Ohm 1000 and Omega Omni. Both work wonders in a small room. Both have a downside or two and will do their best work in small to medium size rooms.
The Ohm has a remarkable 120 day audition period, but it's significantly more power hungry in comparison to the Omega. Still easily doable with your 3 amps though.
The Omega can be wired for a 4 or 16 ohm load (no x-over)and is a pretty solid 96 db efficient. Not sure on an audition as it's a custom design. It's roughly $300-$400 cheaper however.
Feel free to e-mail me offsite with any further questions.
I did a few tweaks too.
Active near-field studio monitors can solve a lot of problems in tight spaces as you can EQ them for room correction and taste. Look into Genelecs, Focals, ADAMs, Event Opals, even Mackie 824's.
+1 for the nearfield recommendation.... also room treatment is more critical in a small room imho....
Im lost why room treatment would be more important in a small room,I'm guessing it would be the opposite.
In a narrow room you get early reflections from the side walls. But you can fix this with (a picture on linen cloth), a curtain, a tapestry, a half filled book shelf or a professional absorbing material, approximately half the distance between you and the speakers. Just try it if you like.
But if you setup your speakers the correct way, it shouldn't be a problem.
When I had my first listening to a real high-end system, many many years ago, I was blown away by the quality of its performance. The owner of this system did the setup absolutely fantastic. I tried and tried, but I couldn't reach this quality. I always thought it is my room which is giving me this problem. And maybe he had a better room.
As I know now it is the room and some rooms are really bad, but if both speakers work WITH the room all or most acoustic problems will disappear and the sound quality will be overwhelming. Real High-End sound with a big sound stage, deep bass, focus, imaging, musicality, timbre, everything.
Keep on improving your setup.
@airtime, you wrote 'By August I'll have my sad small bedroom stereo setup again.' What speakers did you choose?
I've used LS3/5As in my bedroom. They work best in a room big enough to get into a near-field setup. But even when they are close to the walls, they sound pretty good. I have never been very confident about bass reproduction in small rooms (and the LS3/5A bottom is only around 70dB, anyway) without extensive treatments. Speakers that do go very low are very hard to place in small, non-treated, rooms (if at all).
I like the idea of omnis.
I eventually reverted to an SET/computer audio headphone rig.
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