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In Reply to: RE: T.H.E. Show Speaker report, and excess opinionated rants posted by DrChaos on June 09, 2016 at 16:18:14
Nice report.
A point on classical music and shows. I agree completely that well recorded large scale classical music is the best sort of music to shake down and evaluate a system. This is what I use for critical evaluation.
Unfortunately many audiophiles do not care for classical music. I joke that the quickest way to clear out your room at a show is to start playing classically music.
We always bring classical music to shows but rarely is it requested. We try to get in a few cuts during the day. It is hard to get folks to sit and listen for 10+ minutes to a given selection.
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I find it hard to engage with music in the European orchestral tradition so it would be difficult for me to use it as a tool of measurement. Would using soundtracks with orchestras be just as good? Many have the same dynamic range.
> Would using soundtracks with orchestras be just as good? Many have the same dynamic range.
Yes, they would be excellent. Most of them are also music in the European orchestral tradition. John Williams is the greatest orchestrator since Maurice Ravel and is extraordinarily versatile, channeling among many the late 19th through 20th century styles of Holst, Dukas, Stravinsky, etc well through Ligeti.
I liked him better when he was Johnny Williams, he was a lot hipper then. I will include his later stuff next time I need to do an evaluation.
Thanks.
It makes me think of Bud Fried(IMF and Fried speakers. The only thing you would hear in his demos was classical. He didn't consider anything else real music. When I visited him and brought folk music, I recall him calling it tinkle music.
"Tinkle" music? I guess sometimes it can make you do that.
There is no beer in food, but there is food in beer.
of anything not classical was typical of him.i considered him a stuffed shirt genius. sat MANY hours in front of IMF Monitor IIIs improved and IMF RSPM IVs PLUS my veberable Model RIIs that i am listening to these days.
i have most of his newsletters and realize that he brought many goodies from over in England and such and have the utmost respect for him in that realm.
the RIIs continue to amaze me, limited low end and all. they respond well ti a small twist of the bass knob on the ARC SP3a1. still detailed and equipped with slam.
a word about the ELACs that were played, the room was too small (acknowledged by Andrew) and bassy and anybody that heard them COULD have gotten the wrong impression.
...regards...tr
You kind of get Bud. I understood his pluses and minuses but overall he was a lot of fun and source of lots of good info. Interesting your use of the RII. It's a really old design and a great improvement over the original R mainly from the new crossover KEF designed for Bud.
the RIIS were quite fast and faster than the venerable MIIIs imp. and the tight but fairly extended RIIIs image a bit better than said larger speakers.
i was dubious about waking up the Rs but thought better of that after a while of listening.
...regards...tr
I like just about everything. Classical is probably 30% of what I listen to.
I feel sorry for those that have such narrow tastes in music. There is great stuff to be found in every genre.
i might like a fraction of other genres of music (5 pct of pop, 2 pct of hip hop, 15 pct of 'alternative' and 20 percent of jazz), but i dont have enough time or mind to go through the filtering and learning what i like vs liking 65 pct of classical. And i am lucky enough to enjoy a genre where loudness war in mastering is null to small.
That wasn't the point, just that the comments made me think of Bud, one of the interesting figures in audio over many decades. And I will ad that testing without tons of classical music is for me highly flawed.
With all rock and almost all pop the sound has been so massaged and mangled that who could trust what they hear to be anything like true reproduction of instruments?
Agreed. The typical studio multi-mic, panned mono recording is not that useful for critical evaluation. Minimalist mic classical or jazz tells us what we need to know.
Pop/rock is great music and can sound wonderful in many cases. Still not much of a benchmark for determining system performance.
Large scale classical is the most demanding type of music in terms of harmonics, acoustics, dynamics. If a system sounds/performs well with large scale classical it will sound great with anything else.
But if many audiophiles don't care for classical no need to beat a dead horse and force them to listen at shows.
I agree with most of the above, and I particularly recall Gordon Holt advocating recordings of live, unamplified music for assessing equipment. I have had useful symphonies, lieder, and especially string quartets for the purpose. Not necessarily always the greatest performances of the greatest pieces, but always records or tapes with which I was very familiar so as to quickly hear differences. Comparison of sonic personalities with technical measurements has always been a matter of interest to me.
Content preferences for music- (as opposed to equipment-) listening are matters of taste, not subject to any measurement I know of.
Jeremy
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