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In Reply to: RE: So here's the difficult part posted by 3db on April 29, 2016 at 09:19:05
Clearly this is a somewhat difficult conditions concept for you to wrap your brain around but I will try again. What you seem to be referring to are fixed spatial changes, which of course can occur when you sit offcenter. I am talking though about a sound imaging that is not sharply defined and "wanders" around the soundstage slightly and is often level dependent.
The point is that with really good electronics image stability and placement... In three dimensions is very well defined and with well defined recordings you will get a strong sense of musician locality. However, lesser gear will dilute or remove it completely to the point where the sound sticks to the speakers.
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My brain is quite clear on this and its you that seems to be suffering from an audiophile fetish called subjective listening therefore its like that for everyone. If you want to sling mud, lets start or you can choose to be civil and discuss this as an adult with resorting to BS.
BS? Hardly. Just clear and repeatable observations. You continue not to understand that it has nothing to do with your obvious points about physical positioning. It is very easy to get recordings with well centered vocals or main instrument with which one can hear this effect. Also, get a good string quartet recording and listen to the positioning in the soundfield of each of the musicians. Electronics with very stable voltages will tend to keep the localizations more exact even in busy and loud passages. If voltages are not locked down tight you will get image smearing and some "wandering". I have heard both cases many times... It has NOTHING to do with physical seating or head position etc.
By all means though, give it your best shot. Btw, I have my listening position measured to the nearest mm with a laser distance meter. Explain, if you can, how the sound can "wander" and be imprecise with one preamp and locked in with another if nothing else is changed? If I sit back in the exact same spot etc? Back and forth switching confirms, other listeners confirm too.
The equipment I had and own now has never exhibited this smear you are talking about. I've also auditioned many a amp/speaker combos with material I know extremely well from piano concertos to acoustic blues sessions and I've never experienced this.
I've heard amp/receivers go into clipping while trying to fill a room with sound with inefficient speakers but even at that point, imaging was solid. The mids and highs became shrill and compressed and it was physically painful to my ears to hear the sound.
Chalk it up to coincidence I guess.
Are you famiiliar with the Dead Can Dance album "Into the Labyrinth"?
There is a song entitled "How fortunate the man with none".
Here are some snippets of some verses and their punchline at the end of each verse:
"You saw sagacious Solomon
You know what came of him"
...
"It's wisdom that had brought him to this state
How fortunate the man with none"
"You saw courageous Caesar next
You know what he became
They deified him in his life
Then had him murdered just the same"
...
"It's courage that had brought him to that state
How fortunate the man with none"
"You heard of honest Socrates
The man who never lied They weren't so grateful as you'd think
Instead the rulers fixed to have him tried"
...
"It's honesty that brought him to that state
How fortunate the man with none"
So, Yes! How fortunate are you!
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