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I have a 2015 Ford Escape. The stock speakers sound broken. I'd like to use my Pono in the thing, but the SQ is embarrassingly poor for the Pono. I found a website that described upgrading with Rockford Fosgate speakers. I've not heard of that brand, are they good? Any recommendations for motoring bliss?
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Not just Ford, but other brands too (I have some Fords also), are making it increasingly difficult to install/fit aftermarket audio gear. What will fit is often a problem, they're moving away from standard in-dash sizes and they use strange speaker mounting setups. So far, usually, you can buy some brackets that'll convert standard sizes to Ford.
I think Ford uses the worst speakers I've ever seen, never mind heard, in their stock audio systems. So bad that you can't even buy anything so poorly made, they need to be ordered in "millions" by an OEM because nobody even in a 4th-world country would ever choose to buy them on purpose. You are correct to think they are the first item to replace to grossly improve the sound. Don't bother with anything else until you've done them first. You don't have to spend much to get a huge improvement, even some Pioneer coaxials for <$100 drastically improves the front, and anything will improve the back. JL Audio are also popular for the next step, but by then you may want better/separate amps.
Rockford is mainly known for their amps, American made high current, they were the stuff back in the day but I haven't done much with car audio in some years. Their speakers were alright and would be decent for upgrading.
If keeping the factory head unit I'd look for a speaker with high sensitivity. You could actually see what fits your vehicle on Crutchfield's website. I had a Ford minivan some time back that took 5x7's, I was impressed by the Alpine speakers I used. Focal is good too.
I use Focal Utopia 165W-RC Passive 2-way splits in the front of my 2010 Camry & Focal 690CV polyglass 6 x 9's in the rear. The front splits are mounted on custom MDF mounts with Focal BAM acoustic insulation covering the doors & my 6 x 9's are mounted on custom MDF mounts with a layer of Focal BAM BR & Dynamat Extreme insulation across the rear shelf. Here are some pics ;)..
Vitus SCD025MkII, SIA025, Oppo BPD-103AU, Magico S5's, Taoc ASR racks + SCB-RS50g, Stillpoints Ultra 6's/Mini's/LPI's, Furutech GTX-D(G), Gigawatt PC-3 SE Evo, Jorma Prime pc's + xlr's/Statement sc's/Unity pc, Siltech Classic Anniversary rcas + HDMI
Edits: 11/06/15 11/06/15
Nice pics! Bodhi.
I enjoy great sounding music in the car. I wanted to get a big uptick in sound without cutting into anything, have a 'stealth' system which would reduce the risk of theft & gain a 7" screen with Sat-nav, so it was a big success. Though I wouldn't mind upgrading my Alpine V12 MRV-F545 amp with one of these (see link)..
Vitus SCD025MkII, SIA025, Oppo BPD-103AU, Magico S5's, Taoc ASR racks + SCB-RS50g, Stillpoints Ultra 6's/Mini's/LPI's, Furutech GTX-D(G), Gigawatt PC-3 SE Evo, Jorma Prime pc's + xlr's/Statement sc's/Unity pc, Siltech Classic Anniversary rcas + HDMI
Edits: 11/09/15
It really doesn't matter. With the car moving there is so much noise that all nuances are effectively masked.
don't forget the dynamat behind the speakers
I have always used Pioneer and Sony aftermarket speakers with no complaints. Fosgates score at or near the bottom in these 2 comparisons:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-JBDQoRdrOkW/fg_400_FFCustomer_Rating%7C[rank1]5%20stars[img]/Best-Car-Speakers.html
I have Focal's in my work car and love 'em - Scion XD.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
Second note;
Consult Ford to determine the best fit. It may well be that Rockford Fosgate is your solution.
If Oz Audio, is still in business, they are worth a look.
Infinity's are nice replacements and very sensitive so volume is not an issue. If your doing a complete system look at JL Audio.
Yes, not gonna change the radio/amp other than use Pono as the source. Thanks for the reply.
an aftermarket amp and processor would make a huge difference, vice just changing the speakers. I have Dynaudios in my Audi, but they are powered by an Arc Audio amp and the PS8 processor which adds great soundstaging and timing benefits (I also have an Arc Audio Black sub).
I heard a couple of car systems with Dynaudio using Audison amps & one of those processors. I literally could not believe what I was hearing, the sound was so good and the sound stage was in front of me despite where the speakers were located, it was incredible. Sound that good could be distracting while trying to drive, LOL. The Dynamat is a worth while addition no matter the level of gear in the auto.
If that's the same type of processor you were talking about they are a game changer to car audio.
Processors make a huge difference. I also owned a JBL MS-8 before my current Arc Audio PS8, and it too made a night and day difference in terms of imaging and sub integration. Dynamat is a must...
Best car speakers I ever had were the Dahlquists - forget the model number, but were small black boxes, 3-way, and really wonderful.
WW
"A man need merely light the filaments of his receiving set and the world's greatest artists will perform for him." Alfred N. Goldsmith, RCA, 1922
I started with a speaker upgrade then a JL Audio amp, vibration absorption and couplers for the door speakers. My Miata is only missing a sub.
I'm sure that's true - upgrading my amp made about as big a difference in my home system as upgradi9ng the speakers. Still, it sounds like the speakers themselves are the weakest link.
My wife has a 2002 Passat with the Monsoon system. It might be the best car audio system I have heard. I wish I new from where VW sourced those speakers.
It has more to do with the inside of the cars shape, materials, where the speakers are placed, etc. You could put the Monsoon system in a different car and it might only sound average.
I also had a Passat (three actually) including a 2000 V6 model (with manual transmission of course!) that had the Monsoon. My aftermarket equipment from my previous car (Nakamichi head unit, Soundstream amps, A/D/S component speakers and Boston Pro sub) quickly replaced the Monsoon, however. Once you go with aftermarket, it's tough to go back to a stock system. I will say that my Audi's stock system was the best I'd ever heard (much better than the highly touted DVD 5-channel system in the Acura TL, which I owned for a while), but my current system is clearly better. Of course the down side is always having to remove/replace the equipment when you trade cars...I may be wrong, but I think Panasonic may have been at least a partial OEM for the Monsoon system...
Yes, Panasonic + monsoon were partners.
Also read that Clarion made some of the head units...
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