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Hi folks, I have been contemplating the next evolution of my system and had plans to upgrade my Vitus SIA-025 to a VA SS-025 stereo amp & SL-102 pre. But with the Aud crashing against the Euro, and the fact I would have to invest in another Jorma Prime pc & set of Stillpoints, i'm having a re-think. Mind you the Aussie dollar has also crashed against the US dollar, however it is fairing a bit better vs the Euro.The above factors led me to look at a speaker upgrade instead. Top of my list are the new Magico S7s. I am impressed by the amount of filter down technology from the M Pro (& in the case of the new 10" bass drivers); also Q series. It's really a 'poor' man's M Pro when you think of it. The S7 is more efficient than my S5's which means my current SIA-025 should be able to drive them with authority.
The S7's also apparently interact less with room boundaries (similar to a line source), making them more room friendly. Indeed Magico advised me they will work well in a medium size room. Obviously they are a big investment, though I could see myself keeping them for 15-20 years. From all I have seen, they are as close to perfection as you're likely to get south of 6 figures. And there comes a time when you have to say "they're good enough".
In a nutshell, I'm thinking of blowing the budget on speakers, and making do with a very nice integrated. What do you guys think?
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Yes, you crazy....not in going for an integrated instead of separates, but in wanting to lay down that kind of coin on speakers without hearing them, in your system, in your room, for extended periods of time to make sure that you don't have to make other HUGE changes in order to be happy.
It doesn't matter what your budget is, you HAVE to learn to live with system limitations, and in my opinion, hyper revealing speakers are a recipe for unhappiness.
Less is sometimes more.
You didn't say what you were trying to achieve with the speaker 'upgrade'
Tom, thanks for your candid thoughts. Just to clarify, I will be giving the S7's an extended audition of probably 2 x 5 hour sessions, though they will be in my Dealer's treated showroom. Please understand a few things. Firstly I live in Australia & there is only one Magico Dealer in this territory. Secondly, I live 50 minutes drive from my Dealer in an apartment building. Access to my apartment building's carpark is difficult due to being a/ underground and b/ having a low height limit. Thirdly, we are talking about 300 pound speakers which would mostly likely require professional delivery and pickup by a specialist mover like a Piano mover. And fourthly, my Dealer will only have a pair available for audition at best for a few weeks as the first pair are already earmarked for a customer. So my Dealer would not be able to spare them for that long - let alone risk them being damaged. I live in Australia. You live in the States. Maybe it is different there?
I agree with your logic of having a balanced system approach and fully optimizing what you have. That's why I am also investing in room treatments.
To answer your question, based on the budget I had originally set aside upgrade to VA separates, I wanted to get the best 'bang for the buck' upgrade (after having addressed the room as I said). My simple goal with a speaker upgrade would be to approach the amazing realism I experienced when I heard the awesome Infinity IRS-V's way back in 1991. They are still the best sounding speakers i've ever heard. You talk about revealing! The fives had thunderous concert-level bass, amazing resolution & ethereal "reach out and touch it" imaging. You never asked me what I like about the S5's? They were the first loudspeakers which gave me the same sense of awe and excitement as the IRS-V's, whilst sounding wonderfully balanced and coherent, on the warm side & a bit more laid back than the Q3's.
The S7's by all reports maintain the desirable qualities of the current S3/S5, but take it to a whole nuther level. Interestingly, Alon reports the S7's interact less with room boundaries (like a good line source), making them easier to place & are about 1db more efficient than the S5's. As you know, Vitus and Magico have have excellent synergy, so it seems like a safe bet to atleast strongly consider the S7's. They should get me closer to the mighty IRS-V's, and maybe even surpass them?
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Still, the improvements are going to be incremental in any case. How big is the room? Consider one or a pair of top quality subwoofers.
What I really value now, is a lack of crossover in the critical 1-3 khz region, I'm listening to AMT/Heil drivers in my ESS speakers, there is a lack of room interaction and a consistency to the midrange/highs that is addictive. I don't know if I can go to a conventional tweeter design and crossover again. BTW, that is part of what made the IRSs so magic.
Depending on what kind of music you listen to and at what levels, don't discount Apogees, SoundLab, Martin Logan, etc., and ESS still makes speakers in California that are not 'silly' expensive like the Magicos.
I hear you about not living close to a lot of dealers, though, many in the US are in that position. I live in Germany and know enough now about what I like to buy used and have come to see dealers as primarily black box dealers.
The most important thing to remember is that you are listening to the room, not just the speakers. The dispersion characteristics of the speakers must match your listening style. For example, my speakers sound much better on axis in the listening position, while some like their speakers to sound like a live club from the other room.
And I still think that the Macigos are more likely to show up weaknesses in the source. IMO it is very difficult to be happy with how digital sounds, no matter how good the speaker.
Good luck.
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I know where you're coming from Phil. At this level, there is constant development and an endless list of new gear hitting the showrooms each month, with a corresponding temptation to upgrade. Though I will say I kept my first system for 18 years and just enjoyed the music.I plan on buying the future replacement for the Oppo 105 and having it modded by someone like Exemplar or Dan Wright mainly for dvd & spinning the odd sacd which has been on the cards for a while.
Other than that I feel like getting into a contented head space where I could call it a day for a long time. The only other component i'd like to add in perhaps 5-6 years is a server transport to rip my library to.
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You are RICH!! Good on ya, mate!!
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Lol Rlw, i'm certainly not rich! I don't even have a Diploma or Degree. I work in a lowly Call Centre job and am a 'low income earner' according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. I just work my a*** off and sacrifice a lot to save for my gear (ie: going without o/s holidays and other luxuries). And i've been doing that flat out for the last 6 1/2 years. Thanks though.
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It is not crazy to purchase a product that fits a need and is within the alloted budget. It is crazy to do so without an extended audition and thoughtful consideration of the alternatives. Could better sound be provided by other loudspeakers for less? Probably. Would other changes in the system yield greater benefits for less? Probably. Are the S7s still the right choice for you? Only you can answer that question.
Rke, thanks for your input. I agree with your caveat of giving a prospective new pair of speakers an extended audition. I'm just waiting on my Dealer to receive a pair in November hopefully.Re: better value speaker options, I only buy new gear these days after being dudded on a 2nd hand pair of Infinitys years ago. And I only buy new gear through my Dealer as i've built up a relationship with him over many years & he looks after me. In his stable of loudspeakers, no other loudspeaker on the horizon has the overall capabilities of the S7, though high end audio is a moving feast as we know.
I was quite interested in your comment "Would other changes in the system yield greater benefits for less? Probably". Feel free to post any suggestions. Cheers!
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The loudspeaker and room are the most important factors in determining the quality of sound reproduction. If the room acoustics have been optimized, the most effective and economical option for improvement is usually digital room correction. It may sound strange to suggest this given the high quality components in the system, and many audiophiles would reject the notion out of hand. Install a miniDSP DDRC-22A between the Oppo and the integrated amplifier and set it up with the same care as any new source component. The room analysis results will probably come as something of a surprise - the response is usually far rougher than most audiphiles expect. Listen to the results, experiment with a few response curves and listen again. It cost less than a set of high end interconnects and may very well change how you listen for good.
Rke, I agree with your ordering of priorities. Though I only recently came to that conclusion after fiercely defending the "balanced system approach" for a long time. I still feel that approach has paid off to this point, but i've reached the level where yes, investing in room treatments and better speakers would likely yield the largest improvement in sound.I can't say i'm a fan of room correction devices. I watched a friend stuff around with a DEQX for years and he was never completely happy with the results. He ended up using a Marchant active x-over I believe.
The 2 chassis tube modded Oppo players seem to do a great job reducing noise & adding some tube magic. Though a stock Oppo could use some help.
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The Oppo is simply acting as a transport. It won't need a tube output or any other modification. All of the signal processing and digital to analog conversion occurs in the miniDSP. The optical digital output (Toslink) on the Oppo will provide galvanic isolation and works very well up to 24/96.
Dirac, Trinnov, Anthem Room Correction and Audyssey digital room correction have evolved into powerful tools that can make a great difference in many, if not most, listening environments. Imaging is improved and the lower registers become smoother. Hidden detail masked by room coloration emerges. There has been rapid evolution in digital room correction technology and the current offerings are well worth exploring. If the miniDSP doesn't provide an improvement, at least you'll have a better idea of where the room/loudspeaker needs improvement. Return it and continue the search. I'll wager that it won't be going back.
Ok, but i'm struggling to see how that is at all relevant to the thread question which was - Am I crazy blowing the budget on a much better pair of speakers vs upgrading to Vitus separates? This guy did & never looked back - http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue70/magico_vitus.htm
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The point of suggesting electronic room correction was to offer an alternative for improving the sound to a significant degree at a much lower cost than replacing the current loudspeakers or amplification. It was never clear that only new equipment purchased from a specific dealer could be suggested. Perhaps a list of the brands carried by the dealer would help potential respondents?
Very few audiophiles have had experience either Vitus Audio or Magico products given their high cost and limited distribution, yet there have been multiple varied responses to the query. Perhaps the Vitus Audio separates are the greatest thing since sliced bread and will bring you sonic nirvana. The Magico S7 may bring the sound of angels into your midst. Whether it is crazy to blow the budget on either of these very expensive options is a question that only you can answer. Just keep in mind that there are always other choices.
Rke, you made a reasonable suggestion to consider other potentially less expensive options to improve the sound of my system, though the point I was making was that in my thread question I hadn't thrown open the question of what other options could potentially provide similar gains for less outlay. The thread question was basically comparing the option of upgrading my current SIA-025 integrated amp to Vitus separates vs upgrading to Magico S7's being a much better loudspeaker, hence I wouldn't have thought that required clarification?Some folks like playing around with EQ's and DSP's, however I wouldn't name myself as one of them. And at the level of Vitus Signature series, Magico S5/S7 and Jorma Prime/Statement, I don't think I need to. However I acknowledge that Vitus in particular has limited representation in the US. They are much better known in Europe, Hong Kong, China & Australia where they have a larger distribution network.
My sense is that investing in better loudspeakers and room treatments will bring the largest gain as one earlier respondent noted.
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I have little experience with extreme high end speakers, but of those I have heard (which includes other Magicos) the Focal Utopias are worth a serious listen as far as conventional designs.
I really like the Focal Utopia's & use Utopia front splits in my car. Unfortunately I don't have access to their home line through my Dealer. Magico have a very different house sound.
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If you have the means I'd say go for it. I have heard these speakers being driven with Ayre MX-R and KX-R combo using the the Brinkmann Lagrange turntable as the source, which sounded very impressive. Much better sounding than the Proac Carbon 8 speakers sitting besides it. As good as the Vitus integrated is, I'm afraid it may not have enough oomph to make them sing properly. But ultimately only you, will be the judge to that...
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
Thanks for your feedback Kootenay! I think my Vitus integrated would have enough power to properly control the S7's. It has a 1.4kVa UI-core transformer which is very efficient & feels more like a big 2kVa tranny. The Vitus drives my current S5's comfortably in my medium size room & the S7's are more efficient.
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They are probably nice speakers, that being said, IMO speakers with rubber surrounds sound odd.
Tolerable with a $300 pair of 6" monitors, but not really appropriate for a 20 year HiFi speaker.
(Tolerable because the extra throw helps get some bass out of small packages)
Those rubber surrounds definitely add a plasticy puff sound to the bass that overwhelms the micro-textures.
Not knowing the price, I am still going to make the call and say you are crazy.
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I kind of agree with Gargoyle... Although rubber surrounds pretty much suffice for me, I have to admit that the systems I recall having really good "density" (sorry, thats the only word that comes to mind) in the midrange and lower mid upper bass, were large cones with cloth folded suspensions (like a W) pleated fabric or paper.....
True, because rubber adds much more moving mass to the cone. Okay
for bass, not so for mids. Foam is also low mass, but eventually
rots. So, I'd say only use rubber for subs, foam or cloth for mains.
Trust me mate, the S5's bass driver's are fast, and the S7's bass drivers are faster ;)
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That's one vote for crazy! :D Seriously though, thanks for your f'back Gargoyle, and quite interesting. I hadn't though about the sonic impact of acoustic suspensions before. I'm guessing you're a fan of Planar magnetic ribbons, stators or pure horns? I'm also a fan of those speakers & have owned some classic hybrid ribbon Infinitys before, though not a pure ribbon speaker as such. The main problem with big horns or ribbons capable of deep bass is they're almost always very big & need a lot of room to breath. And in the case of dipole ribbon speakers, they need an even front wall which I don't have.Almost every loudspeaker has some level of compromise. Some less than others. It just depends whether you like the particular strengths of a given loudspeaker & can accept there is no such thing as a perfect speaker as another member mentioned. In any case, stay tuned as I will update the thread later in the year after i've had a chance to audition the S7's!
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I am not even that "sophisticated", although I am in the very early stages of a horn project.
(I am adverse to the notion of speakers that require a lot of power, price aside, it is prohibitive to build a high powered amp that resembles the performance of a relatively simple "low" wattage tube amp.)
My preference is for larger dynamic drivers with paper surrounds and powerful motors that move very little.
My current speakers appear motionless.
Admittedly these have their own issues, specifically they can be difficult logistically to coax the bass out of them, but it can be done with some particular models.
It will be difficult for myself to surpass the speakers I have at the moment, especially given the "point source sound". My journey has ended for the time being and I am thrilled. (Linked below)
Really the only practical direction I can go now is full horns, I will mimic the Macondo a la Roman Bessnow.
Enjoy your audition.
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Nice job on the speakers Gargoyle! I can appreciate that approach having heard some big Tannoys before. The S7's are the polar opposite in design and philosophy as the above photos show. Good times!
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Why the top end Magicos are sooo expensive!! The machine work on those enclosures did not come cheap. And the crossover components/build look exquisite!
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Thanks, I wondered what you'd use instead of rubber. But I can't imagine a paper surround floppy enough to resonate low enough for deep bass. But honestly given that there are few speakers with paper surrounds I've never heard any.
I'd add that it sounds like what you're looking for is accurate dynamic change that sounds alive. And it can be done, but often isn't, with rubber surrounds and large amps, there certainly are some.
Plus if you're talking about low powered single ended tube amps they are an acquired taste, almost always pretty sounding due to high second harmonic distortion which is topologically part of single ended and can't really be eliminated. I understand if you like it but not my cup of tea.
As a friend liked to say and this applies to all of us in an imperfect world: Color me perfect.
But since you ask, I believe any component change at that level (Magico) should be made only after a lengthly audition, hopefully in one's own system. I don't feel we can simply trust that a new model, or the next model up, even from a well-regarded manufacturer can be certain to be an improvement.
"You can't know what the "best" is unless you have heard everything, and keep in mind that given individual tastes, there really isn't any such thing." HP
Thanks for your constructive feedback M3. Sage advice indeed! I shouldn't get carried away with the idea until I've had at least a solid half day to listen to a pair. I probably wont be able to swing a home audition, however my Dealer is getting the first pair in Australia in November & I've put my hand up for an audition. Granted that won't be in my room with my gear, though I've heard the S3's & S5's many times before in the same room, so I have a good reference.Love HP's quote. I agree there is no such thing as "best", only the best to your ears, in your room & in synergy with your gear. And I certainly haven't heard everything out there. But I know I love the sound of my S5's (especially in synergy with Vitus & Jorma). Are the S7's better? Almost certainly. But you're right, they still may not float my boat.
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You might want to extend that listening period a bit. :)
E-stat, I think my Dealer will have to kick me out of his listening room when I get to audition those beasts!! How long or how many times I get to audition the S7's depends on how soon the buyer wants them delivered, as pretty much everything in my Dealer's showroom not nailed down is always for sale. Hence they may only be in residence for 2 or 3 weeks :(
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Agree M3.....He'll never get a live event in his house...and therefore will only be changing one distortion for another. It's one thing if there is something annoying about the current system, and he wants to remove it, but this kind of upgrade thinking only decreases ones wealth. When Magico comes out next year with an upgrade, he'll not be satisfied at all with his system...and the cycle goes on.
I know where you're coming from Sgreen. The best sounding speakers i've ever heard were a pair of Infinity IRS-V's powered by Electrocompaniet mono blocks & an analogue front end. The sound staging, imaging and concert level bass were incredible, but not even the mighty Infinitys could replicate the sound of a live concert. But the S5's were the first loudspeakers that gave me the same sense of awe and excitement as the big fives.
Magico continually develop their existing lines and add new models over time, though I would not say I have upgraditis. I am basically asking if, given the crash in the AUD vs EUR, members think it would be a good idea to instead "blow the budget" on a better pair of speakers. Given Magico are made in the U.S. which has a more favorable exchange rate, and I have access to that line through my Dealer whom I have built a relationship with over many years, it just seems like a no brainer vs my original plan to upgrade to VA separates.
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Before you invest - spend is a better word, audio expenditures are never
investments - any money on new speakers, ask yourself if you have improved
your room acoustics and electrical power supply as much as possible. When
you've done that, then you can rationally think about new speakers.
Thanks for your input Mike. You're right, the law of diminishing returns applies equally to high end audio. Though to me something like a pair of S7's would be an investment in long-term enjoyment.You made an extremely valid point about room acoustics. Fortunately my room already has good acoustics to begin with. The combination of open hard wood stairs behind my racks, wooden venetian blinds, soft furnishings & an open atrium seems to work well. Though I will have the opportunity to have Franck Tchang personally install his Acoustic resonators in my room later this year, so i'm addressing this critical area.
On AC power, I use a Furutech GTX-D (g) wpo, Gigawatt PC-3 SE Evo conditioner & Jorma Prime pc's re-terminated with cryo'd Oyaide M1/F1 connectors. I'm not running a dedicated line, though in Australia we have standard 10a/240v power. And in my apartment mains power consistently measures between 240v & about 248v most of the time. So i've ticked that box also. Cheers!
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