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In Reply to: RE: you are only right about one thing posted by mbnx01 on July 28, 2015 at 16:47:22
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If you're of the idea that you should hear drivers and not cabinets, newer is generally better. If you prefer things the old way, and you want to be able to feel the cabinet vibrating as the music is playing, speakers like Harbeth and DeVore may be for you. IMO the Monitor 40 is textbook on how not to design a speaker. Imaging on those is a disaster, thanks to a front baffle that's a kajillion feet wide.
One thing designers have learned in the last 30 years when trying to integrate large woofers is to either place them on the side, or use a two-piece design so that the mid and HF drivers can be placed in a much smaller cabinets. Monitors image better than large towers for a reason, and if you can make the top of your speaker behave like a small two-way, you can try to replicate that while still preserving full range response that is generally not possible with a two-way.
Thanks for the insight on how a speaker should not be designed. I guess Harbeth,Spendor,ATC,Stirling,etc,have been doing it wrong and should go back to the drawing board. Pray tell ,you never mention what your speaker of choice is. Please do?
I routinely avoid speakers with a wide front baffle, far too many deleterious effects from that type of design. And that is one of the main reasons that I ended up with the speakers I have loved for the past 7 years: Gallo Reference 3.1s.
I believe that Anthony did a masterful job of designing these speakers: virtually no cabinet whatsoever, the drivers are housed in spherical chambers that virtually eliminate standing waves. Additionally. the drivers are mechanically matched so that a crossover network is not needed - and that eliminates a TON of problems when it comes to phase and frequency response.
Also, the woofers are side mounted in mirror image pairs, allowing one to experiment with woofers firing in or out. They also have dual voice coils which allow me to extend the low end frequency response from about 35Hz all the way down to 22Hz - truly astonishing performance from such a diminutive cabinet.
And, to top it off (both literally and figuratively) the Gallo's CDT tweeter is among the very best tweeters I have ever heard. The frequency response extends to 35kHz, the dispersion is an incredible 300 deg., and the power handling capability is astonishing - I have never heard of a CDT tweeter failing due to over amplification. And their sound quality ticks all the major boxes: they are smooth, sweet, fast, and clear!
Also, their midrange drivers are exceptionally well designed and built too out of carbon fibre. And there is no crossover employed between the mids and the other drivers, it is all handled by their mechanical design and natural roll-off.
If it sounds like I'm a fanboy, you'd be absolutely right! I believe these to be among the very best speakers ever made - regardless of price. The fact that I was able to purchase a 4 month old pair in *mint* condition for 1/2 of MSRP was just the icing on the cake! And, because I have a 5.1 surround sound system, I have mated them with Gallo's Ref. AV speakers which employ the very same design precis as well as identical midrange and hi-range drivers. The timbre matching between them is a thing of beauty.
I'm almost 60 years old and, due to their exceptionally robust construction, I fully expect to be enjoying these speakers for the next 20 years or so. I have seen nothing out there (that I can afford) that I feel would be an improvement upon what I have...I guess you could that I am one Happy Boy!!!
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Don't put ATC in Harbeth's ship. Harbeth basically ignores every advance made in loudspeaker design in the last 30+ years. Yes the LS3/5A was very nice in its day, but guess what, things have moved on. We know things now about internal standing waves and designing baffles for ideal on and off-axis response and dispersion and diffraction control etc etc etc.
My personal speakers are Aerial model 6. In the future I would like to upgrade to the ATC SCM40 v.2.
Would the Aerial 5B two way monitor be boarding that ship?
I'm of the idea I should be listening to music.
Sorry, I will take the opinion of the BBC's senior engineers who have mixed tens of thousands of audio on 40.1's and other models, and the folks at hundreds of recordings studios that use Harbeth over a self appointed forum expert/lecturer.
Harbeth: Unbraced square boxes with plastic drivers stuffed full of foam. If this were 1980 these would be pretty high tech speakers. The front and back panels are just screwed on, there's nothing to actually seal them in place. Clearly any sort of resonance control is not a priority at Harbeth. And if you like listening to your loudspeaker box ring a few milliseconds after the driver moves, more power to you.
the BBC speaker design folks knew what they were doing. Some reading up is in order.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
Your ignorance is impressive.
Everyone has a opinion. We have suffered many of yours.
You tried to post your nonsense as fact, not an opinion. Educate your self before you embarrass your self again.
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