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In Reply to: RE: Need some bi-wire counseling and opinions posted by JaroTheWise on July 12, 2015 at 00:42:00
Bi wire gets you nothing,,Imaging only comes from good mic placement
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... anywhere that the only thing bi-wiring could improve or change is imaging - especially "only" imaging?
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Presto
Horse Schit!
Playback system,
Speakers and placement,
Room Acuostics and interference,
Listening position distance,
Studio engineer and mastering,
Just some of the things that have a profound affect on the sound stage and imagining.
Yes there are many extremely crappy recordings regarding mic placement but that is not the difinitive answer.
As an example of how imaging and soundstage can collapse and turn horrible I submit my original dedicated two channel room from 15 years ago. My system with some very well respected electronics and speakers that would manage to expand the sound several feet beyond the boundary walls with MANY of my recordings thanks to bi-wiring. Duplicated every time they were played back. Wife decides its time to furnish this room with a sofa, two chairs, a sofa table and two end tables. The system was never moved from its original position, just furnished the room around the available open floor plan. Sat down that night for my nightly R&R and BAM! Nothing was right!
Tonal balance- gone to hell.
Imagining- worst of the problems of all. A total collapse to the point of everything I had heard before outside the boundaries was now stuck between and directly from the speakers. Spent months moving things around and to no avail it never came back with that room, no matter what new and different type of equipment I tried the furniture and floor plan lay out ruined the acoustics of that room.
My point, imagining does not only occur from well mic'd recordings. It's a good starting point but is not the end all be all of imaging.
The triggers that help the brain imagine a three dimensional presentation can come from timing and frequency variations between channels or even varying the frequency and reverberation of a monophonic signal. ( yes, of course a mono signal can provide varying dept. Even front a single loudspeaker)
"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat" - Confucius
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I disagree and have first hand experience otherwise. I first bi-wired then bi-amped which requires bi-wire of course. Each change made an improvement. Even changing the jumper from the speaker before I bi-wired changed things. I figured I'd upgrade the stock jumper that was wire w/spades. I put on better modern wire in their place and they sounded much worse.
All of my experience is the exact opposite of what you say.
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Imaging with a stereo system is clearly greater or less with a given speaker set - some project it more than others. Just saw a youtube post of an interview of Sandy Gross where he explains how imaging occurs and why certain speaker design encourages it more - namely a narrower baffle and attention paid to the mounting of drivers within it
Oddly I have an old pair of Athena budget monitors that image like crazy despite their low price - those Canadians put a lot of thought into them though the design is basic - there is a sort of waveguide on the tweeter that likely helps and the face is beveled back to be sort of "convex"
JaroTheWise
sadly got phased out way too early. The first models the ASC models were amazing being mstly time and phase aligned. The second generation models followed suit. It is no shame to own and enjoy a pair which puts to shame many more expensive brand names
not sure if you are referring to the Audition series or some earlier models that Athena did I think previous to going mass market - but yeah the Audition series I think were taking all the lower end sales from others and backordered at the retailers - I got mine wholesale at the time which made the value even more obscene.
Klipsch appeared to buy them and then kill off the brand - that was API which I guess had Mirage and Energy as well.
The second Audition series I think was designed to be lighter in weight but preserving their quality - I guess shipping at the distribution level was one of the biggest cost items which again is an eye opener. I have the first series
JaroTheWise
... OP already determined that it DOES give him something - in his system, listened to with HIS ears?
Not even speakers affect the imaging, just the good mic placement, huh?
How about this: Biwire gets you - meaning YOU, personally - nothing, because your system and/or hearing are not resolving enough, to appreciate differences?
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