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In Reply to: RE: Unions? posted by Ozzy on June 28, 2015 at 07:20:31
Yeah, that explains in all. Those greedy unionists causing audiophiles the world over uncontrolled grief and sorrow. Damn those people who are trying to achieve a better life for their families by fairly negotiating for wages, health care, and working conditions.
Damn, from now on I'm buying Chinese hi-fi gear only.
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I mean why would anyone want those things - and more pay.
In the US many bosses can demand that you provide urine samples, can basically fire you without cause - you look a little fat - you're fired. You vote liberal - you're fired. You're black - you're fired. "At will"
Unions have their problems - but as the saying goes - "Companies deserve the Unions they get" so if you're union is a brutal disaster - the chances are it's because the company was an even bigger arse to start with.
If companies treated their workers half way fairly no one would need a union. There is a reason they form - the boss is an ass.
The bottom line is self interest - as an employee it's my job to look out for me and if the boss is a turd then I can either leave or force the boss to pay up. The boss' job is also to look out for him/herself and history has shown (indeed present day has shown) that companies ALWAYS choose profit over lives. Pretty much the entire clothing industry is actively or "looking the other way" on child slave labour they use in third world countries. I mean they're not white kids.
If you don't believe unions have outlived their usefulness (like the NAACP), then you are fooling yourself. Both had their time and place, long since gone.
carry on.....
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
Wasn't it George Bush who said that we must constantly fight to keep our freedoms? It's quite easy to grow passive and allow freedoms to be slowly chipped away if you don't stay vigilant.
Granted at least we can have the option to have a union - in many of the slave labour markets they'll just kill you. Big Business always has your interests in mind. They're just the NICEST of people now aren't they.
Donald Trump - a bastion of kindness and caring.
Fortunately there ARE (well WERE) intelligent conservatives and Republicans: This fellow might have been the last
*"Workers have a right to organize into unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. And a strong, free labor movement is an invigorating and necessary part of our industrial society."
*"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of their right to join the union of their choice."
*"Should any political party attempt to abolish Social Security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things, but their number is negligible and they are stupid."---Republican President Dwight Eisenhower
So, should Alan Shaw of Harbeth ban unions? Maybe that will make you happy because it will lower prices a bit. The workers? Who cares about them as long as you can get your speakers at a cheaper price. If Alan transferred production to China, prices would be even lower. Nirvana.
As far as the NAACP is concerned, the constitution allows us to join any organization we want. That includes the Klu klux klan, too.
"As far as the NAACP is concerned, the constitution allows us to join any organization we want. That includes the Klu klux klan, too."
Well only one of them is slightly less worthless than the other.
As far as the speakers and their price. I really don't give two s&*ts.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
Which one would that be?
Lest you take me for a racist, I will just say the answer to that question is obvious. And I will leave it at that.......
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
Blaming unions for offshoring is drinking the KoolAid - I bet you also believe in "trickle down"
Most of the economic wisdom of the last 40 years is upside down - unless you want to create an oligarchy like we currently have.
As Paul Weller wrote 30 years ago "They take the profit, you take the blame"
JaroTheWise
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