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In Reply to: RE: Kef Ls-50 vs Harbeth Monitor 30.1 posted by jasonpatrickbrowne on June 27, 2015 at 15:25:05
I'd be very interested to hear more details about your experience with the Amphion. For those who don't look in on Gearslutz and other pro fora, a huge number of studio professionals are agog over them. In their world, the LS-50 and 30.1 are seldom if ever mentioned.
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The amphion one18 are, by far, the most accurate speaker I have ever heard. the amount of information is truly incredible, with holographic imaging, a focused and solid phantom image. I have talked about it in length and you can find my findings all over the net and comparison between ref3a decapo, AN J Lx, salk continuum, ect.I'm using right now Wilson Audio cub II, again, the amphion are another league compared to all those speakers, wilson included.
I have recently tried the original chartwell ls3/5a and that speaker made me realize that something less detailed and more smooth and warm could be more to my liking.
the amphion are so fast and detailed, that sometimes, I find them a bit puzzling to understand the musical passage. musicality may be a bit lost under all the details. the chartwell clearly show only the musical intent and makes listening very ''Easy'' and soothing.@ b.l.zeebub as I said, the amphion are by far better then a lot of very well reknown speaker I have tried. I think you are refering here to the ions? the pro line amphions do not show 10% THD, dont have forward bass nor wolly imo. they are the best bass I have ever heard in a bookshelve and truly is the best bass I have compared so far. the amphion at gearslutz is not a hype, its a fact. they are truly incredible speakers and so far, nothing I have ever had or heard came close, tbh. and I have had and heard quite a lot.
can you please provide a link of your british review?
Let's see for monitor 30.1
but the experience with amphion led me to believe that perfect accuracy may not be the best approach for best musical pleasure listening experience.
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Well to YOU they may be better, but they aren't to me nor others - the tin can spritzy utterly unlistenable treble, lack of cohesion and mediocre build quality is not exactly the stuff of legend. Show me the rave reviews of best in show or the mountains of reviews that have praised them over the years?
Your posts don't even make sense - if the speakers were so damn great you would not have sold them. So who cares? You're selling them in the hopes of finding a speaker that is smooth (ahem that means the Amphion WAS NOT SMOOTH). It sounds like you have no idea what you want in a loudspeaker - and all the speakers you compared the Amphion to are all VASTLY better sounding loudspeakers so perhaps your room or front end gear or hearing is majorly screwed up.
you have never heard the new amphion pro line!
why do you talk about amphion as if all models sounds the same. very unprofessional to comment on a speaker you have never heard!
the amphion came out at the top of the high end nearfield test at gearslutz, they are incredibly coherent, much more then audio note. I had an j lx, not even close, the amphion are much better then my audio note speakers.to be honest, you are truly not a person I trust in audio. your trolling about audio note and accusing people who doesnt share your love for audio note to have poor ears.
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It is possible the more expensive model is better but when you hear a fairly pricey model that is probably the worst thing I've heard in its price class - it remains difficult to NOT be highly skeptical. However, you are correct it may be great. Send me a pair and I will try it out or direct me to the Hong Kong dealer and I will give them another try.
I would rather have some more credible (non paid) reviews credible of their products to see if it's worth my time though - Titanium tweeters - small narrow baffle no bass and fairly expensive nearfield speakers generally do not excite me.
They look a lot like the ones I heard here but I didn't catch the specific model.
Actually I should be the most trusted reviewer you will ever come across - for over a decade I have been utterly and virtually unflappably consistent in my preferences and I tell people what I like and dislike - and I try not to have people read 3000 words to kind of figure out if I like something or not.
As for people who don't hear it like me - well I'm right and they aren't. Too bad, so sad. ;-)
seriously, this conversation makes me very concern about your bias toward audio note.anyone with good eyes and experience should have realize that the one18 is nothing like the ion. the only comparison one could make with honesty is between the pro line and the hifi line would be with the argon line.
your unprofesionalism in comparing all amphion model to the small budget ion line is very suspicious to me.
the amphion argon have been highly reviewed. one reviewer said the argon 3 bookshelve gave the most impressive bass he ever heard from bookshelves.
soundstage tested and measured the argon 3l and 7l and has nothing to say but great things, ect. I think the reviewer actually said it was the best standmount he ever tried and bought the pair.
the one18 are 3 years of R&D based on the argon.I have nothing but praise for this amazing speaker and tbh, might very well come back to them as I could easily have lived with that speaker for good. its the first ever speaker I have had and tried that dont sound literally flawed in some way or another.
funny you say the amphion one18 is expensive. at gearslutz, its considered a absolute bargain and came out with the ''best bang for the buck'' for the highend nearfield test, where close to 30 monitors, some costing up to 15k, were compared and one18 was the favorite with the big 13k geithain
. the amphion one18 have been compared with monitors studio costing 2-3 times and hold their own and for many, actually beat most of PMC, PSI, sonic anima, ATC, Geithain. they are a bargain for what they offer and have been highly praise by now by any pro who tried them.I had An J lx in my room. I think there's much better out there.
maybe its the music we listen to, but i couldnt have lived with the lack of resolution all across the board, truly not the best tweeter/woofer integration, very ordinary bass. Voices was absolutely stunning though and i liked the incredible musicality of the AN j lx, still, I vastly prefered one18.lastly, the one18 are made in finland, by hand.
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According to Amphion themselves the difference between their domestic and pro offerings is in the name and nothing else.
the amphion pro line is not comparable to their hifi line.
the pro line has passive radiator and different tweeter.the pro line was designed in 3 years. their hifi line argon is from before and much more R&D went into their pro line. truly exceptional speakers and I may go back to them if harbeth or horns wont work as they are the best speaker I have heard to date. I may also try tannoy gold 15, jbl s2600. maybe horns will be the ticket for me?
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Pros can be star struck too.
The Amphions appear to be a poor excuse for a speaker. They produce 10%THD in the midrange at 85dB and according to a british magazine sound disjointed and forward with a woolly bass. They also bemoaned the cheap finish compared to other speakers in the same category.
But star producer Bruce Swedien said he liked them. I just hope he got paid well to say that.
Hey, Bub! Your reply is extremely interesting, as are all of your contributions to this Forum. The pros, though in general better informed than audiophiles, are just as subject to becoming fan boys.
They can also be just as bigoted-witness the impassioned denunciation of Genelecs-often, I suspect, by people who have never even heard them. This parallels the tribal excorcism of Bose 901s by audiophiles.
Do you have a link to the British magazine to which you earlier referred?
What hi-fi which practically LOVES everything reviewed the ION with one of the worst ratings that magazine has ever put out!!!!
Hearing a couple of second hand Amphions they seemed to fit the boom and sizzle mold of bad speaker sound to a tee.
They were pretty awful when I heard them
Have you HEARD Bose 901's?
Fun, but not anything like real music.
"A lie is half-way around the world before the truth can get its boots on."
-Mark Twain
Thank you Chef!
The same goes the other way: Your contribution are always welcome and well-informed.
However you possess an eloquence I can only aspire to!
The Canadians tested the Amphion Ion here:
http://www.soundstage.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1027:nrc-measurements-amphion-ion-loudspeakers&catid=77:loudspeaker-measurements&Itemid=153
Visaton sell a kit which is almost identical to the little Amphions but I suspect substantially better as they use far better drivers:
http://www.visaton.com/en/bauvorschlaege/2_wege/studio2/index.html
It costs $489 the pair in North America.
Link here:http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/p/V-5881-Studio2/Studio+2+Speaker+Kit
And here is the link you asked for. Amphion got a staggering 2 out of 5 stars.
do you realize that the Amphion Ions and the Amphion one18 are completely different design?the ions are much cheaper. the one18 use different drivers, different crossover and design.
It make no sense to talk about amphion ion
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So that means that Anssi Hyvönen was telling lies when he said in an interview that some of their pro and domestic models are not just similar but identical except for model name.
If they are different Amphion is still misleading the public since Bruce Swedien only heard the Ions.
Also a woolly bass can only be more woolly if one replaces a port with a passive radiator.
It's in the nature of how PRs work.
again, for the second time. please link where anssi said the ion is the same as the pro line and also the british magasine that tested the pro line and said that bass was wooly. very interested!
After all, everyone knows that ALL speakers from the same manufacturer always sound the same, regardless of components used, design features, and the price.
LOL.
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