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In Reply to: RE: Kef Ls-50 vs Harbeth Monitor 30.1 posted by jasonpatrickbrowne on June 27, 2015 at 15:25:05
It is not even close. Not in the same universe.
Think Ferrari and Ford.
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I thought it would be fairly obvious. The KEF's are toys compared to the Harbeth 30.1.
This entire thread is ridiculous.
"A lie is half-way around the world before the truth can get its boots on."
-Mark Twain
If I remember correctly, you owned and sold the LS50's.
I believe they were the most overhyped speaker in recent history.
What is your unbiased take on where they had shortcomings against better, and yes, more expensive monitors?
And use them in my home theater with a KEF center channel.
I think they are very good speakers and a bargain at the price.
But, yeah, Stereophile class A? Lots of hype with this speaker, but it's still a good speaker.
But compared to 30.1's? Not in the same league.
"A lie is half-way around the world before the truth can get its boots on."
-Mark Twain
Got it.
But I also think they are not in the same league of dozens of other stand mounts I have heard.
This, and the famous Benchmark DAC, is the most whored out product I have seen. The reviewers need dealers and manufacturers, and the over top gushing and Class A rating moved some boxes, so everybody on the inside was happy.
Dozens? Can you name some, I'd be very interested.
I prefer the Spendor S3/5R2, the Ascend Acoustics Sierra 2, and probably a few others if I could hear them.
But it's close. I don't think I could name ten stand mounts in this price range I'd prefer to the KEF's.
"A lie is half-way around the world before the truth can get its boots on."
-Mark Twain
Not dozens at the LS50 price point..but at higher price points. But those higher price points get you much more satisfying speakers.
I agree with what you're saying but we should probably be fair to KEF and keep the price in the equation. There's no shame at all in being bested by a speaker for 50% more money. I mean the KEF is $1500 and if it loses to a $2250 loudspeaker - well it SHOULD lose to that speaker. But indeed the KEF probably hangs in and betters an awful lot of such priced loudspeakers (or indeed is just as good but different sounding). Speakers can be just as good but sideways moves.
For a lot of folks $1500 is a huge huge investment on a loudspeaker and may be their max amount. So noting that more expensive speakers are better is like saying well you should get the Toyota Lexus because is is far more enjoyable than the Honda Civic. Sure (at 4 times the price) but lets talk about what is better at the Civic's price (if anything).
And I haven't found stuff that completely walks all over the KEF LS-50 for the same price - I like some other speakers better in the treble and some better for tonality but the KEF often brings superior imaging or soundstaging acumen to the table.
I kind of think the KEFs get a little more backlash than they deserve because of the overthetop reviews which is awfully tough to live up to in terms of expectations - people are expecting the world's best loudspeaker when they go to hear them and what they get is a very good small monitor - it just can't live up to the hype. Any little wart in the sound will be pounced on.
Stop making sense. You're making the rest of us look bad.
"A lie is half-way around the world before the truth can get its boots on."
-Mark Twain
I will agree that the LS50 is probably more appealing than a lot of 1000-1500 US speakers, some made with cheap veneers, and that fall into the "budget" line of some big manufacturers.I would still take the Spendor s35R2 over the KEF any day of the week and the Harbeth mini too. And a number of other monitors like those from Proac etc.
And to your point about $1500 being a "big investment"..it is about priorities. People have NO trouble justifying a $2000 60 inch TV that they will flip in 3 years or less but god forbid spend that on speakers that may last decades.
The KEF, IMO, again, IMO, commits one unforgivable sin. It just sounds like the material it is made of. The driver material puts too much of a stamp on the music.
Lastly, it really is not a $1500 investment, because in all but the smallest rooms without a sub it just has no weight.
Edits: 06/29/15
Thanks for the answer to the comparison.
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