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In Reply to: RE: New speakers posted by TSWisla on May 27, 2015 at 08:50:33
While this may sound obvious- the sound is the culmination of your source, pre- Power am AND speakers-
If you are going to keep everything BUT the speaker - make sure you get an in-home audition, or at least review the speakers with your amp-
Happy Listening
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I understand. I attempted to ameliorate the harshness by adding a tubed phono preamp, it really did not help at all. I think part of the problem is the shape/size of my current room and that fact that it has no damping anywhere. The other problem is that I know that there is always something better out there! Are Thiels a bad choice for a SS amp like a Pass?
...Thiels will sound great with Pass amps - I would recommend any of the X.5 models.Having said that, I prefer good tubed amps on mine.
The most important room treatments (after rugs) will be absorbing first reflections from the tweeters on the side walls.
(I see you, too, are a pharmacist - welcome!)
Edits: 05/29/15
Thank you mkuller!
There's the biggest problem ( the room itself) as I see. No amount of component/speaker swapping will compensate if you haven't addressed room acoustics. I would start by looking at absorbing panel and diffusion options from GIK or ATS Acoustics. Simple placement of the panels on the front wall ( behind the speakers) and first reflection points is a good start. Diffusion devices placed behind the listening position would be # 2. If the floor is a hard surface, start shopping for area rugs. As far as "small room" speakers go, I've never had anything sound more at home in a small room than an Ohm Micro or 1000.
I don't know anything about the new Thiels, but you'd probably find the old models 'bright' as well.
Have you tried adding a rug to your room? Other treatments might help if walls are bare. In addition to all that, I'd also play around with speaker placement and toe-in. That could significantly improve tonal balance.
I will have a new room soon and I plan to purchase a new rug. I still think that it is time for an upgrade.
I think that's the place to start. A nice thick rug and some damping panels for the walls could be transformative.
Hmm... if that's the case, I recommend auditioning a pair of Vandersteen 3A Signatures. It's what I have in my system. They retail for $4775 but you can find them on the used market for about half that. An important consideration is that the current production has a woven midrange that improves the sound.
http://vandersteen.com/products/model-3a-signature
Since you have already identified issues in your room, I would work on getting that sorted out before buying new speakers. You will certainly get something that sounds different, but might not cure the problem you now have.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
From what I have heard and read - the thiels like power- You certainly have lots of clean power w/ the Pass amps-
If it is really room/system matching - I would look at trying a few things to help that issue -
I'll acknowledge that the hi-fi I have in our living room is an "approved" install - but not my main listening rig/location-
and what I have been able to do in my listening room is up to my tastes alone...
Having said this- there are some very attractive devices that can address some issues-
I would encourage that you look into this - as new speakers may change the balance from a system perspective - but into the same room - may create new imbalances that are more unpleasant...
Happy Listening
I want to ask a very stupid question, if I may, about the Harbeths. They are small speakers, how much low end will I be giving up going from my 826W to monitors? Will I need a sub?
TSWisla,
I can't speak to the Harbeths- read a lot about them - but I have not heard them-
I have a pair of small Focals and have heard others- but not the Harbeths-
Happy Listening
Try Scansonics if you can. They are made by Raidho. I was blown away by them at Axpona, and they come in at $3500. Small 2 and half way towers, they should be great in your room with that amp. Quality just can't be beat.
bigshow
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