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Just a woofer? With speaker inputs?
Seems like everything on the market is the same thing - everything all in one box based on the 'home theater' paradigm.
"Familiarity breeds contempt, and children."
-Mark Twain
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I have used these for over 20 years,and I like them better than the Velodyne ULD15. I had to buy their external,electronic, crossover and provide my own stereo amp.
Check out "TBI" subs.
Tish.
I had a Velodyne ULD 15 and the amp was separate from the sub. If you can find a used one reasonable it may be a good find.
Rhetorical question: How does one keep higher freqs out without a xover?
http://mindseyemusic.blogspot.com/
If you are at all handy or inspired to try, build a subwoofer.
They are the simplest and easiest kind of loudspeaker to build and there is a wealth of DIY info on line and essentially NO magic involved.
We make dozens of sub woofers at work for large scale and commercial sound and i designed all of them, trust me, essentially anyone can build a subwoofer.
Vandersteen makes one that powered and one that's not. I think this is what you are looking for.
With all due respect, that's incorrect.
The 2Wq is a 300w sealed, speaker level input, with external line level crossover, music oriented sub.
The 2VW is a 300w passive radiator, line level input, internal crossover, home theater oriented sub.
Well rounded sound. Very reasonable and you can ad an amp latter. Jerry is a great guy to work with.
Art
Passive subwoofer's made by Phase Tecnology....I was impressed.
I've built and run diy passive box subs, lot of work (and MDF dust)This flat pack looks easy to build, and you get open baffle bass to boot. Grab some drivers and a Crown XLS amp with the built-in crossover, and you are good to go. When he offers an 8" dual kit, I may go for one myself.:
Edits: 04/05/15 04/05/15
some may have a LP crossover but all are unamplified.
E
T
You should at least know about them. And if size is not a constraint see the fantastic offerings from Inlow Sound.
Unpowered sub? That's the most enticing DIY project ever.
If you can build a heavy and well-braced wood or MDF box, use some simple design tools and get the right driver for the job, you have a very high chance of success. It's not as technically challenging as a full-range speaker cabinet.
Cheers,
Presto
look it up.
Torus subwoofer.
jm
AMP NOT INCLUDED in that price.
Last year's Stereophile Buyer's Guide says $6,730. So, either my memory was faulty, or, there could have been a price adjustment by the newly reappointed US importer in view of currency fluctuations. But, if that were the case, by the time the 2015 Stereophile Buyer's Guide comes out, the price could be higher. In any event you need a beefy amp to push it.
It's -6dB at 18Hz.
I have not heard it, but it got an award from TAS.
JM
Gees Louiese!
jm
...it finally makes sense.
nt
I'll take two! Of course, I'll need to sell my car first. But who can doubt the quality obtained for a mere pittance? What a great deal for trustafarians and such....!!
-RW-
What aspect of, "18-inch driver" or "weighs a ton" don't you understand?
In your actual life, have you ever laid out money to make something that other people thousands of miles away are going to buy through fourth parties???
Then, perhaps a respectful silence might be the best posture.
jm
I respect Wilson Benesch for their engineering prowess and I own their speakers. I think you are doing them a disservice with your implied comparison to Maserati, whose products are all about style, status, and exclusivity more than performance.If you've listened to the Torus, maybe you can tell us what's so great about it besides having an 18-inch driver and weighing a ton. Those are not great selling points.
I think the design is clever, but I've also read that it doesn't really meet its claimed sub-bass extension, i.e. it's more of a woofer than a subwoofer. From what I've read, reinforced by my own experience with other WB speakers, I would guess that it's best attributes may be speed and transient response.
If it's not really delivering the last octave and below, like a high power DSP sub like JL Audio or big tapped horn sub can do, I think that it is going to be best suited to mating with small speakers. But when you consider the price of the Torus + amp is $12k, you would have to be running speakers like Magico Q1 or Raidho D-1 before it would make sense to even buy one Torus.
Edits: 04/07/15
Before or after some half-cocked reviewer gushes all over their virtues?
in all its forms.
jm
But then again the US Constitution doesn't really deal with either of our statements.
Wilson Benesch is the real deal.
Ummm--I think you are not.
jm
You seem to have a very thin skin when it comes to people who don't share your outlook or opinion. Possibly this comes from a perspective of being "embattled or disparage as a Audio Reveiwer Pro." Still seems like poor excuse to call others names.
Your experience must have validated some of the premise that "price does not always equal quality or value".
I do have a bit of issue that, you state that you had not heard the unit in discussion, but you are judging it to be of value, based solely on the manufacturer's name and price. That view could be seen as having the same worth as those who degrade this unit, without hearing it, based solely on price.
wisely know when to STFU, or they completely avoid opening their yap in public forums.
You apparently do neither.
what part of that (english-language, your culture) proverb don't you understand?
bigger is better? heavier is better? [in size of driver and overall weight]
roger wang
It's a SUBWOOFER, not a woofer substitute. All other things being equal, the subwoofer that can move more air should have better measured performance. Moving more air requires more surface area and excursion.
Compared to what Wilson Audio has charged for subwoofers, the Wilson Benesch version is not that expensive.
jm
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Danley subs
Yes, the are called passive subwoofers, and they are around.
I do a four-piece subwoofer system that uses a single external amplifier, so the amp could just be omitted, and you'd have four subs with speaker inputs. They are intended to be wired in series-parallel so that the amp sees a 4-ohm load.
There's a review of this system, called the Swarm, in the April 2015 issue of the Absolute Sound.
Duke
Me being a dealer makes you leery?? It gets worse... I'm a manufacturer too.
XB2 & XB3
A snip at £6300 & £7700 respectively.
That said I've built myself two XB2s for under £1000.
Lipinski L-150 is supposed to be good:
http://lipinskisound.com/products/subwoofer-l-150/
And if you're truly minted, there's the Torus:
http://wilson-benesch.com/2010/06/torus/
I think the design is pretty clever, but wow what a price tag.
Assuming you can use a screwdriver.
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-12-ultimax-subwoofer-and-cabinet-package--300-7096
Those enclosures are actually flat packs made by DIY Sound Group and sold to Parts Express. They must be put together using glue and bar clamps. The video below shows how a DIY Sound Group flat pack speaker (not a sub, but similar construction) is built.
Linked below is the DIY Sound Group web site.
Most subs are small for packaging and sales. Small boxes don't naturally go down deep passively but can be forced to with equalization(bass boost) and this requires electronics. It's just much simpler to combine a big amp and crossover/equalization with the box. So the vast majority of subs have amps.
An example of really deep loud bass in a sub that can be purchased without amps is the Wilson Thor's Hammer, But you still need an external electronic crossover and a separate big amp.
Roger Modjeski makes some very nice small subwoofers. As hahax says, they can't go low without special equalization, and he has a special external crossover you will need, along with an amplifier of your own choosing. They are meant to go with his ELS system, but you may be able to get the separately.
8hz
I have not seen them in over thirty years. The Dahlquist DQ-1W and the Janis W1 were the last popular ones for home use. Don't forget that you needed an external power amp and xover for this type of subwoofer. I think if you want to go that route you would have to build your own.
A pity. The DQ1W was ok, the Janis was spectacular.
I know someone who custom builds crossovers and amps can always be had.
"Familiarity breeds contempt, and children."
-Mark Twain
I really don't think that is necessary. There are real nice subs that are made for audio not home theater. SVS is one that I have used and I thought it was pretty damn good! IMO,you don't have to spend the family jewels to get some nice bass anymore!
Try Parts Express
Alan
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