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In Reply to: RE: A waist of time, if you have good quality... posted by ABliss on March 18, 2015 at 08:02:34
This tweak kicks ass sonically, and only someone who hasn't done it, or has no decent ears or system, or both, would say such a silly, ignorant thing.
Learning to spell would also help your credibility, especially in the first word of your post title.
Starting off with the word "Waist" rather than "Waste" is never a great idea if you want folks to take you seriously.
But you used the word incorrectly twice, so maybe your english sucks, too.
Sorry, but it really pisses me off when ignorant folks try to dissuade others from doing things that will improve their sound considerably. I've done it. It works beautifully. End of story.
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Well I can tell you have lots of experience with wasted time, no wonder you think you hear a difference. WINSTON SHIT, oh sorry smith, bad spelling again.
more creedence to WS's OP, which had plenty to start with!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I simply ignore people like that. Works for me. Never give them the satisfaction.
Besides, I found that folks like that are simply jealous, little wimpy sorts who are scared to death that someone else will get better sound than them by experimenting and going further, so they attempt to dissuade others from doing something they themselves never did and never would, out of audio-wimpiness and fear. And that is selfish and totally uncool.
Tweaking works. Audio cowardice and fear do not.
Be fearless: tweak away! (Unless, of course, you are only concerned about resale value, which is cool, and fully understandable for some folks, but will limit what they can get out of any given piece. Because ALL gear has some compromises in them. Haven't found one yet that didn't.)
And besides, everybody who's anybody well knows there's no capacitor like NO capacitor, and no binding posts like NO binding posts. In audio, less (in the signal path) is more (sound), no doubt.
Thank you for the support musetap. Very kind of you.
(And I still get a BIG kick out of those two adorable kitties of yours in the pic every time I see them, which is a lot, because I always read your posts with great enthusiasm, and you haven't let me down yet!)
Cheers!
I've wanted to try this for a while since my Grand Veenas have no crossover and my Quicksilver 88 monos are fine amps.
The mid unit may not, but clearly the bass and tweeter do. Says so on the Reference 3a page.
My understanding is that there is only a single resistor between the midrange and the tweeter to keep the tweeter from trying to reproduce frequencies out of it designed range and the same is true of the woofers. There is one resistor(I guess it's a resistor, but it's one electrical device)to keep the midrange from trying to reproduce sounds lower than it was designed for. You may call those two resistors crossovers but I dont.
A resistor can not do what you describe. It attenuates all frequencies by a set amount.
For frequency specific attenuation you need capacitors or inductors ie a crossover.
I think he meant a resistor.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
He did say a resistor.
That's the problem.
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Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
I said resistor but tht's not correct. The device between the midrange which is directly controled and moved by the amp and the tweeter is a high pass filter to keep lower frequencies out and a low pass filter is used to keep the higher frequencies out of the woofers. I assumed that the filter(s) were a single, simple device commonly used to "notch " ringing out, etc. Since it was a single simple device it dfidnt fit the usual idea of a corssover. Jim Thiel has the most complicated crossover i"ve seen.
Theoretically the simplest crossover consists of one inductor in series with the woofer and one capacitor in series with the tweeter.
This is known as a 1st order or 6dB xover.
In practice many 1st order xovers are vastly more complex with L-pads for level matching and Zobels to even out impedances.
Never seen a Thiel crossover, I prefer active ones.
To my ears inductors do horrible things to the sound, worse than even a cheap op-amp.
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