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In Reply to: RE: Vandersteen Quatros on an unlevel carpeted floor. posted by Daverz on February 23, 2015 at 14:15:41
It is very beneficial to get your speakers absolutely level. If you don't know the method post back and I will post the directions....lengthy but worth the effort.
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Thanks, I would love to read about your leveling method.
Once I have a way to level the speakers themselves, I was thinking of getting a tripod and laser level and shining the laser on the speakers from the listening position.
Your tripod method is not nearly as accurate as my (Vandersteen's) method. Try it. Its actually easier than reading the directions.
OK DAVE. This is the way my 5A's were set up and the Vandersteen pros do it this way as well. Get a laser pen (not expensive - check E-bay, etc.) Put the pen on top of one of your speakers and rotate it left to right which makes the red dot of the laser shine on the wall in back of your listening position. Get a Post-It...a yellow small adhesive paper square that you can stick on to your wall, but will leave no mark when removed. Take a fine pointed marker and place a black dot on the Post It where the red laser dot images on the wall behind your seated position. Do the same thing for the other speaker...swing the laser pen left/right on your other speaker so that the 2 laser dots will now superimpose on the black dot you have on the wall behind your seated position. The object is to get the 2 laser images in the exact same place. When setting up my 5A's, the right dot was only 3 or 4 millimeter lower than the right, however, when I adjusted the speaker so that the laser was EXACTLY on the dot on the wall, the image was dramatically improved. As for what to put under those speakers, I suggest AudioPoints, but you can decide. AudioPoints make cones that are an exact swap for the Vandersteen cones...but work better. Hope this helps. If you have questions, let me know.
used a laser level to check my (rather tedious) setup procedure and - thankfully - it was spot on
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
I use the same method as SgreenP except I use an inexpensive laser level which also incorporates a traditional bubble level.
Not There Yet....no you're not there yet. To get it accurate (a very worthwhile endeavor) do it the way I describe.
I use the same method as you (SgreenP) but instead of using a laser pen designed with very little tolerance, I use a laser level (shaped like a carpenter's level) designed with a higher degree of tolerance. You can also place the laser level on the speaker sides to confirm equal toe in, or align it to any straight angle and/or surface.
If you are concerned about speaker alignment within fractions of a millimeter, then why use an instrument (pen laser) that is not designed for such accuracy???
Not There....I care not about the tolerance. All I care about is that the laser dot from both speakers lies on top of each other. If the laser is off left to right, the same beam is focused from both speakers which nullify any error. If you use this method and compare it to any other method, you will find that this is the most accurate. It will give extremely stable center and off center images, it will allow greater depth, air, etc. (that is, if your speakers and ancillary gear are capable of it) If you care to use your own method...so be it.
You simplly don't get it. A pen laser is not a mesuring or a levelling device...it's a pointer. Put your laser pen on a flat surface and rotate the barrell and watch the little red dot move up and down due to either a non perfectly round barrell or a mis aligned laser assembly. Once you remove the pen laser, it's exact position cnnot be dupicated. A torperdo laser is designed for repeatable and accurate measurements.
Not there yet. You do it your way....
I bought the B652's a few years ago when the hype first hit. You get what you pay for. They're worth every penny, but not one penny more. They are handsome, though.
Ah, OK, that's a method for getting the tilt right for each speaker. I already do something similar.
I also want to get the speakers at the same height relative to each other and the listening location on my uneven carpet, but perhaps this shouldn't matter?
The way I do tilt now uses a steel tape measure and a laser level. I extend the tape measure from the floor behind the listening chair and lock it, so that the tape sticks up above the center of the chair back, then adjust the speakers so that the laser level lines projected from the top of each speaker are at the same height on the tape measure.
Still, even with an exact match, the center-right soundstage was not filling in properly. I think this is because of the height mismatch. Thus my attempts to raise the height of the right speaker as much as I could with the washers on the cone threads.
I love the method you posted. Will try it as soon as I buy a laser. Thanks!
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