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In Reply to: RE: The best bass (below 100 Hz) you have heard posted by fantja on November 30, 2014 at 10:39:42
I agree that a piano is hard to reproduce. The test for me is to go into an adjoining room and decide if it sounds like a piano is in the room. However not much of a piano's notes come through my subwoofer..
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> The test for me is to go into an adjoining room and decide if it sounds like a piano is in the room.
I've done this and I know what you mean, but I'm not sure it proves anything. I want my speakers to sound like a piano when I'm sitting in my listening chair in from of my speakers. The Thiels impress me more this way than any other speaker I've owned and I think it is mostly due to their point source, linear phase midrange/tweeter. As far as deep bass is concerned, the low notes on a piano do exhibit much greater realism with my subwoofer engaged rather than turned off. Piano is one instrument that sounds awesome on the Thiels in conjunction with a subwoofer.
Best regards,
John Elison
Hi i think it depends on your main speakers
If you have for instance a pair of B6W 801 much of the piano will come through them i guess
I heard them and i like them very much indeed but they need also a big power amp to sing.
Kind regards,
bg
If it can play piano with no frequency null points or dead spots, that's how I judge a speaker. Also piano can have a nasty ringing effect if the speakers are poorly designed in the crossover. Comes out REAL easy.
The irony is I really don't care for piano.
charles
Hi and thanks a lot for the advice
I really have to select some great piano recordings then
They could be a great testing tool indeed
From what i have gathered here if i will get a only decent piano in my room i will be done. Just decent is what i am looking for.
" The irony is I really don't care for piano "
sorry but this i cannot believe
The piano is THE instrument ...
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
Edits: 11/30/14
"...if i will get a only decent piano in my room i will be done."Hey Beppe, I "think" what you meant was a decent reproduction of the sound of a piano - or, maybe you meant a real piano! Either way, your comment reminded me of being back in music school. I knew a piano professor who bought a nine foot Steinway for his living room at home. His room was about the size of your room, or maybe a bit smaller!
Also, at the Institut de Hautes Etudes Musicales in Montreux, we had a Bosendorfer Imperial piano with the extra augmented fifth of keys - going down to the C below the A of a typical piano (97 keys instead of 88). I did some microphone comparisons of various instruments, including that piano. I still have the master tape, recorded on a Stellavox Sp7 at 15 ips 2-track. Unfortunately, it's on Ampex 407 tape, and being from 1974, it no doubt has sticky shed by now, so I'll have to bake it before playing it. I think I'll do that this Spring - my tape baking oven is feeling neglected!
:)
Edits: 12/01/14
Hi and yes i meant a speaker of normal size but able to give at least an idea of a real piano
A normal bookshelf cannot go that low .. but with a good sub i think that the feeling could be much more realistic
A big woofer per side is the solution i think
a real piano would be nice of course .. but i am not that good at music
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
My late wife had a Steinway B (7 foot model, one size smaller than a concert grand). I made a number of recordings of this piano over the years. When I got Snell Model A III speakers it was possible to record and playback this piano in our livingroom to a very high degree of accuracy, with one exception: the bottom three notes were not realistic. This wasn't much of a problem, because very little piano music uses these notes. Of course, the Snells were large floor standers, not bookshelfs.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Hi and very interesting
I will try to make some live recordings
I am sure i will find someone with a piano available for some test
That could be very telling.
Today very good digital recorders can be bought with little money.
Thanks for the advice.
Kind regards,
bg
The recordings I made used a pair of AKG C451 microphones and a two track Tandburg tape recorder that ran at 7.5 IPS. You can find these at my web site (studio recordings).
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Hi and thanks a lot for the very interesting link
I will listen to them on my current set up and report
I am leaving soon for 2 days business trip
But i have all the weekend in front of me.
Thanks again for the kind and helpful advice.
Kind regards,
bg
Actually you can use almost any piano piece. Good, bad, what ever! Almost any piano recording will bring out the weaknesses of a system. As long as it uses a large range of octaves. Demonstrates speed, tightness, spikes, null zones, dynamics, imagine - geeze - the works!
charles
Hi and thanks for the advice
I am using the one in the picture currently
It seems very well recorded
It would be nice to have even simple recordings of piano sounds just to test the bandwidth of the system
I should find some friends with a piano and buy a portable recorder
Thanks again
Kind regards,
bg
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