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In Reply to: RE: Audio Note AN-J Lx is in Da house! posted by jasonpatrickbrowne on October 08, 2014 at 19:23:24
With the Audio Note's it depends on the year it was made - Audio Note will have the serial number on file and will know the materials. My AN J/SPe has Russian Birch panels on the front and back and an MDF wrap. MDF is cheaper so it should be less pricey to fix/replace.My concern here is that the AN speakers rely very heavily on the cabinet - it would be like bashing a hole in a Stradivarius - I think it would be quite detrimental to the sound. Many speakers that basically just house a driver in a box meant to deaden the sound can probably just be filled in with wood filler but not with cabinets built to be integral the reproduction of controlled resonances. Damage to the cabinet could mean uncontrolled resonances.
AN's being designed for corner or near wall tend to be positioned further from the listening position than most speakers which aids their cohesiveness but while they don't recommend nearfield listening they do fine if you can sit with ears below the tweeter (indeed ears at and below the woofer is surprisingly good).
Regarding position - you have to try them in different spots but Mario Binner always suggests starting from hard into the corners (virtually touching both the back and side walls with severe toe in such that you are looking at the outside of the cabinets with the tweeters firing a full meter in front of your head. Indeed in a narrow room you can face the speakers such that the left speakers is facing DIRECTLY AT the right speaker.
But I have heard them in a variety of rooms in a variety of positions and largely it comes down to the room. The dealer in Hong Kong sells more Audio Note than anyone in the world and the speakers are 3-5 feet into the room away from all walls facing straight ahead. Completely, not what Audio Note recommends and yet it still sounds great - Basically you have to find a position where the walls around them are not singing along and where they won't excite bass room modes which can sound boomy. In some rooms the corner position is best to get away from the boom. It took me about a month to get them to where I felt they did everything right. I tried them 4 feet into the room away from walls - near wall toe in and no toe in. In my room in Canada - ultra hard in corners with little toe in worked best.
Further - the electronics matter a LOT. Some otherwise good sounding electronics don't sound right on them.
The one thing I did love about the De Capo was that you could virtually walk right up to them and the stage remained intact. I almost bought a pair in HK = personally I prefer the silk dome tweeter to the Beryllium for Reference 3a. I like the Beryllium in Usher and Focal speakers though.
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Indeed they do, and the MDF cabinets really can't compare with the Russian plywood models. If you've never heard an AN speaker, you'll enjoy the MDF versions. But once you've heard one of the plywood versions, you'll find it hard to go back.
I hope JPB was told by the seller ahead of time that this was one of the MDF models, not to mention that it was damaged...
hi, I have the AN J Lx from 2007. I had seen pictures of the speaker before. I think my version has some plywood and some mdf because if I look at the back of the sepaekrs, where theres the serial number, I clearly see birch plywood with the many layers. so maybe front and back is plywood, and sides and top and bottom mdf? I have the madrone finish.
Dont worry bob, I know that its the seller/shipper responsability to fix the problem to my satisfaction. Fortunetly, the shipper, which is a shipper for high end furniture contacted me and are investigating how could they box a speaker that is worth 5k, with a single sheet of 0.5 cm of foam.
Ive also opened a ups claim. Iv contacted audio note and sended pictures so they can tell em wether or not they can fix it.
if by the end, the solution or composention are not to my satisfaction, I will ask refund and will return the speakers. Fortunetly, the seller also is helpful. what happened is its his brother in law that works for the shipping company and could then have better shipping price. so he packed one speaker in the original audio note box because he had only one original box and asked for the company to box the second speaker and ship them to me.
Anyways, I will report back
Based on what you're saying, these are not the earlier versions, so disregard all my talk about MDF vs. Russian plywood.
Please describe the sonic diffs.
This piece of the conversation no longer pertains, as it's pretty obvious these are not the earlier MDF versions. But to answer your question, the Russian plywood versions introduced some years back sound firmer and tighter overall with more bass clarity.
Ive played again with placement.I had them 5.5 feet apart and am sitting at around 8 feet away from them. The soundstage was really week. Instruments seemed to come only from behind the speaker with not much separation. I thought it was the only default of the AN J and was Ok with the compromise.
Ive moved my bass traps, which allowed me to place them almost 7 feet apart and im sitting 8 feet away. If I put them 8 feet apart, the middle is compromise and lack weight. at exactly 7 feet, everything locks in. impressive how small details make HUGE difference.
now, 7 feet apart, 8 feet away, instrument separation is excellent. not as good as decapo, but each player are separated and are quite stable in their space on the stage. depht is particularly nice and now, sounds even escape the width boudaries of the speakers. WOW. This, I always like to hear from any speakers, and anj pull this off quite well. Its a huge wall of sound, high and wide.
I will try to make a review soon, but I had never heard such harmonics from a speaker. The hardest instrument to do is the piano, I understand now that I have a speaker that is able to reproduce it. all the harmonics are there. decay of all the notes are hearable. its a impressive thing.I love more and more the speakers, they do just so much thing right. With AN J, its clearly the sum of all parts that makes it a special speaker. They dont do anything wrong. they can go loud without sounding strain. The sound is not boxy at all. the more alive sound ive ever heard. Free of any boxyness coloration. They are dynamic, bass is fast and tuneful. The bass is great. Much better then decapo, much more definitiong and weight to the bass. It feels so natural and like the real instrument.
Im thrilled!
im using a art0 class t amp (which is quite excellent but likely my weakest link) and a EC design sd-1 player.
Edits: 10/16/14
one of the best at a show recently... and I must say even through TV speakers and youtube it clearly sounds quite excellent.
$25,000 is deemed affordable LOL - but then again you could pay more for one component these days so I suppose it is "affordable" - affordable for 1% anyway.
Still I have the J/Spe and OTO now for a decade. And it does very little wrong. Or I should say virtually everything else at the price does more things wrong and less things right.
why does he say that the AN J HE is 3950$ a pair? They are 5000$ for the AN J Lx. Am I mistaken here, or he clearly made a mistake?BTW, theres no way in hell there DAC is worth 10k. This is where audio note push the lines and sounds ridiculous. And I doubt their cart is worth that much either. Their DAC are not that evolved technologically. I would get a 4k AMR DAC way before the 10k audio note dac. The AMR is even more advanced technologically. so is the ec design dacs.
I believe they shoot themselve in the feet by showing such expensive DAC. It make it sound unnaforable. where they could bring a 1k DAC that sounds real close to their 10k ones.
All I need now is a se tube amp, just dont know where to go. Oto is interesting, but theres so much SE choice.In time...
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He said J/D
The CD Transport and DAC combined is ~$10k.
AN successfully sell their CD players/DACs at and well above $10,000. They also sell Dacs under $2k like the DAC 0.1x. So there are cheaper offerings.
Am I wrong, or the AN J D HE is not available anymore? What is the listing price of the AN J D HE?
The AN J/D is $3700 and AN J/D with Hemp woofers is $4000 according to show reports.
this is not the pricing at all.
AN J D is not even available nowadays. Arent they called AN J Lx. or the D version is chip board?
I thought the basic model was only An J Lx and cost now 4500$.
Maybe Bob can chime in. Is the AN J D is still offered new?
See for yourself. Go to triodeandco.us Click on ANwers Forum. Click on Show Reports. Click on Montreal Hi Fi Show March 28-30,2014 and read.
Edits: 10/18/14
I see, so 4100 CAD. hmmm, didnt knew that. so its the basic model. I thought they had stop building those and were just making as entry the Lx which has plywood front and back..
anyone knows what D means? I think its the particle board box, and there is no front and back plywood?
All the letters after the / indicate the cabling being used. The J/D use AN D copper cables - the J/LX uses LX cables.
The current LX models are 100% Russian Birch all the way around.
You can see the cables order here
due to the damaged cabinet, the AN J Lx return to the owner.
I mus say that Ive loved my time with the AN J, and will likely try to find a used old pair. they are just too good.
However, They will not be my main speakers. I need more resolution and detail and more controlled bass. They ultimately lack some transparency and detail of other speakers.
My next speaker try out is: amphion one18
http://www.amphion.fi/en/create/products/one18/
will report back after the amphion is here!
cheers
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