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In Reply to: RE: LS50 is ported with a flexible tube; P3ESR is sealed. Check out Aerial's 5B. posted by John Marks on July 24, 2014 at 10:36:25
Ive sold a ton of Aerials 5b's and Michael is a great guy. But the aerials are not as refined as the Kef or the Harbeth imo. I own the kef and the Harbeth and sold my brother in law the 5b's years ago we both agree the kef is the best regardless of price.
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There's rarely a free lunch.In this scenario, there is a 1:1 complete and total trade-off between "refinement" and "power."
I will cheerfully grant you that the Harbeth, which I have had several in-depth experiences with, and which I recommended to the publisher of the Steinway Pianos lifestyle magazine I previously wrote for, is more refined than the Aerial, which I characterized as "robust" and "bombproof."
But what is the need we are trying to respond to?
The OP listens to BLUES AND ROCK.
NOT to the chamber music of Olivier Messiaen.
To quote Nina Hartley, "Let's do a little thought experiment."
The test track is Stevie Ray Vaughan's "Tin Pan Alley."
Connect the Harbeths, and turn the volume up to 11.
Then, connect the Aerials, and turn the volume up to 11.
What do you think will happen?
With all due respect, anyone who can IMAGINE (because that is what is going on) that the Harbeth P3ESRs can do justice to SRV does not get out to hear live music.
Horses for courses. And the P3ESRs are not mudders.
I confess I have not heard the KEF. I have great respect for KEF's engineers but they can't break the laws of physics. KEF's 5.25-inch woofer/mid simply cannot move as much air as Aerial's 7.1-inch woofer/mid.
The OP can make up his own mind, but in my experience, when people say they like rock, they do not listen at baroque trio sonata levels.
JM
Edits: 07/28/14
Your right ive never heard a live concert. Your the expert so you are always right. Im talking about listening to music in my home not blasting at 100db maybe you need some Nina! In fact i heard Stevie play Tin pan in Austin live but you know im just some guy that likes music. Not an audiophile professional.
Edits: 07/28/14
SRV at Steamboat in 1980.
Beans in cellophane.
Very noice. :)
😝?
Not only frontal area of the driver, but the fact that because it is a ported design, the KEF will roll off in the bass twice as fast.
Seeing as the KEF and the Aerial have bass specs that are within a few Hertz of each other (bass -3dB 79Hz for the KEF vs. 70 for the Aerial), that means that the Aerial will have deeper bass in the room an also be easier to place in the room, the classic sealed-box virtues.
I will be happy if the OP can hear both speakers and make his own decision. And if he chooses finesse over power, that is fine.
It's also fine with me if he buys the KEF and spends the increment to the Aerial on a good subwoofer, as long as he realizes the trade-offs in having a mono source for the deep bass.
Have a nice day.
JM
PS: Nina doesn't come around any more; she and Mandy Rice-Davies don't like each other.
JM -
"PS: Nina doesn't come around here any more; she and Mandy Rice-Davies don't like each other."
I suppose that Christine Keeler doesn't come around any more either ;-)
Cheers,
Al
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True, but have you had a recent look at Ms. Keeler? Tragic! Mandy has the last laugh.
BTW: I own a reproduction of that Arne Jacobsen chair. Tried to get my wife to sit in it and strike a pose like Chrissy's about three decades ago, but she wasn't having any of it.
Cheers,
Al
I would not even have tried.
BTW: Chrissie's chair was a knock-off.
The handgrip cutout was perhaps put there so the chair could not be blocked at the border on importation, for infringing a patent or trademark.
I attach a photo of a more accurate clone.
I know a woman who came back from Paris to the US before 1963 (and so before the Scandal), and Christine and Mandy were traveling on the same liner. The conventional wisdom was that they were not students, as my friend was, but very discreet call girls.
JM
Again I knew the specs would creep in here. The kef is very DYNAMIC. I'm getting bass in the lower 40 hz range in my room AND SOME PEEPS IN THE UPPER 30 hz range, so Tin Pan Alley rocks! As far as mono bass, meaning like the bass on records that's recorded in mono, he will not hear that the bass is mono with a good sub like the rel. But again the kef doesn't need a sub, IMO. You end with saying "let him make up his mind", but you were doing that for him. I just said I think the Kef SMOKES the 5B IMO. Its an old design IMO! That said, slight omission is minor.
Edits: 07/29/14
I was recently at an art-gallery closing party.
There was a live band, with amplified standup bass.
The bassist had an LS50 for a speaker.
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JM
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