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In Reply to: RE: Backwards in what way? posted by Kal Rubinson on March 26, 2014 at 07:48:05
For me, the lengthy hand shaking, encryption validation, screen blinking, and overall farting around for about twenty seconds switching inputs is a negative when you're accustomed to an instantaneous change.
I like the notion of using a single cable, but sometimes have to reset all the devices just to get a source to work right! My wife experiences the greatest level of frustration when "the TV" doesn't just work.
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I would just prefer a more secure connector.
my Emotiva processor and/or Samsung BR player isn't *good* enough to provide your experience.
Actually, I purchased a newer processor but alas cannot use it because my older DLP monitor doesn't support the current standards. I am loathe to chunk a perfectly good 61" HDTV monitor (and backup bulb) just because it doesn't wear the latest decoder ring.
My 1975 Ariston turntable with SME 3009 arm and Shinon Red cartridge still work with any preamp manufactured today. :)
I am not trying to dump on anyone or on anyone's equipment. The question was "am I missing something, or do others think HDMI was a step backwards?"
What I tried to point out was that, aside from the flimsy connector, HDMI has permitted improvements in both audio and video performance, as long as your other equipment is compatible with it. Over the years, I have experienced most of those mentioned lapses and failures but, lately, they have become rarer and rarer.
(BTW, I require a separate phono preamp because 2 of the control preamps I own lack phono stages but I don't hold that against any of them.)
I am not trying to dump on anyone or on anyone's equipmentWhat you are observing, however, is The New World of short-term compatibility and required prowess in order to replicate what was universal until HDMI was introduced.
Unlike every other standard I've known in forty plus years of audio/video, HDMI is driven by the flavor of the year . My $4000 Samsung monitor purchased in 2005 simply doesn't work with current standards. It is effectively obsolete in under the space of a decade. Just throw it away.
BTW, I require a separate phono preamp because 2 of the control preamps I own lack phono stages but I don't hold that against any of them
Which has nothing at all to do with standards or connectors. You either have an RIAA phono preamp or you don't. A sixty year old unit works perfectly with any new pressing.
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By contrast, audio connector (and annoying arbitrary waiting between switching input) standards have changed the sum total of zilch since the 50s.Nada. None. Zero.
Would you care to illuminate your "no text" position with an example of such changes with audio standards? I've never experienced any such annoying crap with RCA or XLR connectors.
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Really what other audio/visual connector standard creates switching latency?
RCA, XLR, DIN, Lemo, BNC, Speakon, S-Video, 3.5mm, Phone plug, Amphenol, DVI?
First, speaking of audio-only use, there are no delays with HDMI and that applies even with the automatic handshaking involved in DSD/PCM switching between players and processors.Second, the video delay situation has vastly improved as components have been improved with the same HDMI cables even though HDCP handshaking and format negotiation must still be managed. I have never experienced delays of more than 10 seconds and, in recent years, I rarely experience any significant delay (except with CPTV here in CT) and that is with a 10 year-old TV and the original 10-year-old in-wall cable. But let's forget video.
I am not happy defending HDMI because I am not entirely pleased with it but, in many contexts, it is a great option. If you have an all-analog stereo system (even including disc players with analog outputs), HDMI should be of no concern to you.
I prefer to listen to music in multichannel, high resolution formats and these are fundamentally digital. It is possible to avoid HDMI (as I did for years prior to HDMI) but it involves multiple arrays of analog interconnects which are costly, clumsy, complex and conducive to induced noise. In addition, it can encumber redundant A/D/A as one tries to connect sources, processors, controllers, DACs. All this may change as I shift to a computer-based system.
So, I think, it comes down to your particular system approach whether HDMI is a pain or, even, relevant.
P.S.: My statement that "that problem is not limited to HDMI or audio in this society" is simply a recognition that planned obsolescence is endemic.
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But utterly absent in every other audio or video based connector ever produced since Adam:
"So which release level of RCA plug does your system support?"
It is a bad precedent to set.
What good does the complaining do? Clearly, the standards are created for managing the mass market and high-end guys (manufacturers and users) will adapt or circumvent them to pursue their own ends.
The text I quoted (like the earlier one), however, isn't supported by fact.
After a decade of availability, you'll note that pro gear hasn't adopted the HDMI standard.
I wonder why?
I'd love to hear Ed Meitner's take. :)
Professional audio? Because they are not under the grip of the major media companies as are consumers, they don't have to deal with HDCP or othe copy protection schemes. They use interfaces that are not adopted by consumer equipment because of the constraints imposed on us.
The good news, so far, is that with the rise of file-based audio, one can have (as I do) a system based on ethernet and USB.
The good news, so far, is that with the rise of file-based audio, one can have (as I do) a system based on ethernet and USB
We agree! Just today, I received two CDs from Amazon, ripped them to my server and filed away the shiny discs most likely never to be used again. It is truly wonderful to access any part of your digital library (including hi-rez downloads and the occasional MP3) from multiple systems using iPhone and iPad based remotes which also serve as streaming players.
True open system architecture working for you.
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