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In Reply to: RE: Standmount recommendation ...up to $4,000 posted by pc123v on March 25, 2014 at 20:45:16
With all due respect, and as much as I love the Harbeth P3ESR, I don't think it can satisfy a demand for a "big full sound" in view of its 4-inch woofer and circa 7-liter enclosure and therefore limited bass extension.
The newly revised ATC SCM19 has a bass/mid driver with more than twice the frontal area of the P3ESR, and an enclosure almost 300% larger. Very nice, room-filling bass (but not deep bass from the bottom octave).
Each speaker weighs about 35 pounds.
JM
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I saw the amp name suggesting tubes, but I did not know until I read a later post that the OP's amp was 18 watts.
OK, forget the big ATC sealed box.
While the Reference 3A Da Capo is certainly what I'd call a "high-information" speaker that will work well with a small tube amp, in my limited experience it is not that big and rich; it strikes me as "details first."
So, I am stuck at the moment.
JM
I beg to differ! The Harbeths in my smallish listening room like OP's puts out a bigger sound than larger floor standing speakers I have owned. For the type of music he listens to ,IMHO nothing would better the Harbeth's. I did state that if he wanted a little more boom he can add a sub. These little guys amaze me every time I play them. But in the end it's all a matter of taste!
And, sorry, the bass is not quite fully adequate. JA and I have been very forthcoming in our praise, it is not as though I have a negative position to defend.
Please let's look at this dispassionately. You have bought a speaker and you love it. I am happy for you, genuinely. You have gotten off the merry-go-round, and I always say that is the best thing that can happen.
However, unless you attend audio shows and pro audio trade fairs and visit dealerships and have new products delivered to your home every few weeks, which are all things that people who are paid to write about audio usually do, when you say that the P3 is the "best" ("nothing would be better) for the OP, I have to question how many speakers under $4000 you have listened to critically?
Sonus Faber makes a floorstander below $4000 that I have heard and they might have a stand-mount with the same drivers, but, when the OP asked for smooth, big, and rich, BUT ALSO DETAILED, I landed on the new ATC (I doubt you have heard it as the pair I have are S/Ns 5 and 6), because the Harbeth Compact 7 is a bit veiled in comparison, while the P3 is not as veiled but lacks a bit of bass. Aerial's wonderful 5B with their dedicated stands come in under $4000 but are a little analytical. Vivid's standmount is pricey, a bit analytical if the OP wants rich, and a bit bass-shy.
I am glad that you are happy with the P3s but your happiness does not even bend the laws of physics. The bigger driver in the bigger enclosure will (all other things being equal, and the ATC SCM19 is also a sealed box as is the P3) have more bass.
JM
....thank you for the work you do and the time you take to help people here. I have learned much over the years by reading your posts.
Thanks, but in this case I goofed.
I assumed the amp was mid-powered, but it's only 18 wpc and that won't drive the big sealed-box ATCs. And their ported speakers cost a lot more.
Indeed, given that the Harbeth P3ESRs are also sealed (but with a much lighter woofer), the 18 watts might be marginal, but they could work wonderfully. No substitute for trial and error, I am afraid.
JM
ATC will do what they can to build what you want. ATC uses ports to load the driver to reduce distortion rather than improve bass extension. I mention this because I've seen you comment on ATC and ports a bunch of times
Imagine how boring the internet would be if folks were as civil here as they are in person.
Any chance you'll get to hear the new Shahinian Larc?
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