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In Reply to: RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze? posted by rebbi on August 20, 2012 at 08:37:12
Your original question was also answered by ChrisVH on the first reply to your original post. You even acknowledged his reply and thanked him for it. From your complaint that you didn't get responses to your original post, it appears that you are nothing more than a shill for Ryan Scott. Given Scott's very small company status, the very limited number of products produced, and more importantly Scott's alleged "you can hear and see them by invitation only" policy (eyeroll), you're lucky you got back a response from anyone - let alone several or many.
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Villastangiato ,
You are one one bizarre fellow, with an obvious axe to grind against Vapor audio. Nice job! Rebbi is outstanding member of the Audiogon community.
I actually have heard most of Vapor products at Akfest this year, and I do own the Breeze. My Breeze are done in redwood burl, with matching stands, amorphous core Raal upgrade and Dueland resistors. The crossovers are in the base of the stands.
I heard many people comment that the Breeze was the best at show at Akfest. This was my impression as well. I heard $ 30,000 monitors that did match the awesome tonality , great deep and wide soundstage, amazing detailed sound, and musicality ,and fast ,tight tuneful bass that the Breeze had in spades. The fact that Vapor sells speakers that sound this impressive for $1250 really shows that Ryan and Peter know how to design amazing speakers at price points far below its competitors. In my opinion, and from speaking with two other Breeze owners, the Breeze punches way way above its price point, and is a stunning value at its price.
I also heard the Aurora and Arcus and they were also very impressive at their price points!
The Cirrus that I heard in another room was easily the nicest looking speaker at the show, and maybe the best looking speaker I have ever seen. Unfortunately, the room was not set up with the same care that Ryan had set up his room, so the full potential of the speaker was not heard for me. The owner who was showing his Eastern Electric components was still thrilled with his purchase.
From the four designs I heard from Vapor , I have no reservations saying Ryan is a master speaker designer. IMHO
I'm not sure why you hate Ryan and Peter , but I do know that if you actually heard Vapor's speakers you might be blown away with the sound of their products .
I understand that these speakers sound great. Everyone that owns them thinks they are up high on the value scale but the drama that surrounds this company is enough to scare potential customers away. I wouldn't be jumping on board with them at the moment until much more happy users come along. This would be proof that the company is more sustainable. The Audiogon threads are train wrecks which were created by unhappy customers,so regardless of what people think on the sound has zero bearing on the direction the company is headed. A few unhappy customers can cause serious damage to a small company to the point potential customers may see diminished value after purchase. The unhappy customer is just poison unless there are 50 totally satisfied customers. Even 10 in the right forum would squash 1 unhappy client.
How do they handle warranty? I see nothing on the website that makes me feel comfortable. They have had problems with speakers and according to the Audiogon thread that was closed it didn't look like it was being handled with care.
They are also asking for a 50% deposit and some of these builds are taking a year to ship.
How many happy customer are lined up? Can't be too many.
miyy4u - 10 total posts, 6 of which are in this thread. And your posts in this thread are the only ones since 2009? So IMO it's safe to assume you have some sort of personal grudge, and feel safe hiding behind internet anonymity. The only other answer is that you know nothing of me or my business, in which case why are you posturing as though you do?
The Audiogon threads are train wrecks because of one guy with multiple usernames, who also happens to live in Nevada (as your account says that you do). Hmmmm
Sorry spkr-bldr I just realized you are Vapor Audio. Shall we exchange info? I haven't lived in Nevada since 2010.
I was looking into your speakers at one time until a bunch of customers started complaining and I know for a fact it was not coming from one guy with multiple accounts. That was a pretty silly comment.
I sure hope you guys can get your program together over there because I have heard your speakers sound good. It seems you need to work on wood working skills and delivery times from what I have read so far. Your driver selection and crossover ability is good, yes? So it seems that you are close to being a real company, no?
If you don't get it together I can tell you your company will be short lived and you are already riding a fine line, yes? Are the customers funding this project for you since you require a 50% deposit? If this is really the case then I feel sorry for the last few orders that go through your company because the DIY builder lives and breathes through the internet and your company is being weighted by unhappy users. Good luck to you Brian!
miyy4u, I sent you an email a couple days ago using the information from your profile here at the Asylum.
Feel free to reply with questions any time and I'd be more than happy to answer them.
I sent an email as well. Thanks!
Can't let it go, can you Ryan? Like Schumacher, you always have to have the last word and always have to personally attack someone who has a different viewpoint or gripe - legitimate or not. The fiasco with the D-Sonic amplifier was to use one of your friend/admirer's words - quite bizarre. And of all the people to link up with, Peter Schumacher is extremely opinionated and derisive - particularly towards people who don't share his views. There are 14000 posts of his on the Parts Express board that back me up on this. So given your actions and those of people you associate with, you shouldn't be surprised that the train wrecks have been following you around.
A little advice (not that you'd be inclined or intelligent enough to take it) - just build the best speakers you can and let them speak for themselves. Asking your friends from Missouri or Texas to give you a plug on an internet forum is bound to blow up in your face. If your speakers are good, in the end, that's all that really matters.
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"A little advice (not that you'd be inclined or intelligent enough to take it)
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"Asking your friends from Missouri or Texas to give you a plug on an internet forum..."
You know, there's this great story about Jane Goodall doing research on chimpanzees. apparently, she has spent months and months to the point that the colony of chimps will accept her. then, one day, she turns her back on them and feels something bounce painfully off the back of her head. It's a piece of dried monkey poop! She's furious! She loses it, picks up the piece of monkey poop, and hurls it back at the chimps in the tree. they think this is wonderful. They began to scream and screech, and pelt her with more monkey poop. She, in turn, keeps hurling it back at them. Then, suddenly, it occurs to her:"THEY WILL DO THIS ALL DAY LONG."
Not wanting to descend to the level of hurling monkey poop, she realizes the futility of playing this game, takes a deep breath, and walks away.
As for being a shill for Ryan, he and I have never met, and I don't own any of his products. Not only that, but he is in Missouri and I am in Texas. I spoke with him briefly sometime ago and we exchanged a few emails. I was interested in the breeze, but ultimately decided that I didn't have the stomach for buying something I've never heard. But at the time that I first posted this question, I was very much intrigued by the smaller monitor.
I'm also not interested in spending much time throwing monkey poop, if you get my drift.
Haha, I like your style rebbi :) I'm no poop thrower either, and abhore that reality of the internet ... that some people use it as their personal litter box.
If you ever want to hear a pair let me know. I could probably get a pair to you for a listen. I also have Cirrus owners in Dallas and Houston.
Rebbi said:
"As for being a shill for Ryan, he and I have never met, and I don't own any of his products. Not only that, but he is in Missouri and I am in Texas. I spoke with him briefly sometime ago and we exchanged a few emails."
- As if no one has ever shilled for a person or company without owning its products, meeting its principal(s), or living in the same state?
With respect to you and I - you were the first person to start with the poop hurling (obvious axe to grind non sense). I suppose in your mind that if I didn't ramble on with accolades and kudos, that meant I had an axe to grind (eyeroll). As for poop hurling in general, I'm sure we all can agree that what comes around goes around.
The difference between me and the average poop hurler is that I understand and can accept the fact that if I lie about someone's products or level unfair criticism, those who get a chance to hear and verify the product for themselves will be in a position to challenge my credibility. And as far as I'm concerned, my credibility is worth far more than any satisfaction that might come from putting an obnoxious doofus at some kind of disadvantage. I'm far more apt to challenge a ridiculous blanket statement claim than make one.
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