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In Reply to: RE: Bi-Wiring Is Not the Most Powerful... posted by Doug Schroeder on November 11, 2010 at 11:39:46
"The principle in discussion of single wiring and utilization of jumpers is similar to that in discussion of upgraded jumpers for integrated amps. Failure to pay attention to such details is one reason why many audiophiles never quite find that elusive satisfactory sound. I find cables to be the most overlooked and despised element in audio system building."
How would you know that failure to pay attention to "such details" as jumpers and single wiring is "one reason why many audiophiles never quite find that elusive satisfactory sound"? Have you done a survey?
I quote the next passage to show how you fail to apply the same standards of evidence to your own opinions that you do to others. When your reading of your experience is challenged, you then ask for proof, which you did not for your own interpretations of your experiences.
"As a rig improves in quality one can more easily hear the distinction in sound quality from bi-wiring. Some claim that the coherence of the speaker is harmed through bi-wiring, but I do not believe this has been demonstrated. If someone has tests which prove this, I would like to see them. I am open to being informed on that point. It is my experience that a speaker which is bi-wired has superior resolution, dynamics and involves the listener more than through single wiring."
Ah yes indeed! "If someone has tests which prove this, I would like to see them. I am open to being informed on that point." You know what? That's what I would like to see from those who claim that decent interconnects (at line level), that proper gauge speaker cables somehow sound different, and that buy-wiring makes an audible difference.
I would agree that a "claim that the coherence of the speaker is harmed through bi-wiring" needs real testing, but then so does your opinion that "As a rig improves in quality one can more easily hear the distinction in sound quality from bi-wiring." That looks like an extraordinary claim to me.
"Others may disagree, but I am not interested in arguing about this topic."
I'll go along with Kal this far: me neither. I would like to see some evidence that applies to 10-12 foot speaker cables suitable for high fidelity applications though. It hasn't been forthcoming.
We do know that cables can make an audible difference under some circumstances. Differences in resistance can make an audible difference due to differences in the levels and the frequency responses into a speaker load but that hardly justifies expensive wires. Very long cables may cause an audible loss of high frequencies due to inductance. As well, it seems some amps are very sensitive to capacitive loads, but I would want such an amp. Mine is not.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
Follow Ups:
you get your results. ;)
In his system, to his ears, biwiring most likely would NOT make any difference whatsoever.
It's a shame though, since Paradigm Signature speakers must be pretty revealing, to let him hear differences in amps, cables etc. I'm not familiar with Quad amp/preamp, and Rotel CD player is of course just what it is, i.e. doesn't help matters.
It's mostly the mental block, and this pony is probably just too old to learn any new tricks. Or, more to the point, unlearn the old ones.
Paradigm Signature S2--rated Class A Limited Low Frequency Extension by Stereophile.
Now, that you don't have your Kef speakers anymore, what are you using? For some reason, you seem reluctant to say . . .
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
"Paradigm Signature S2--rated Class A Limited Low Frequency Extension by Stereophile."
That isn't exactly making a good case for the quality of the ears at Stereophile who made that decision. A decision that is made by one person incidentally. One guy reviewed them, one guy has the power to make the list. And it was the same guy.
Indeed I do, and my system sounds just fine.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
... here's huge difference: his remarks are based on listening experience, and yours - on ridiculous beliefs, untrained/impaired hearing, and all-encompassing cheapness.
you know, the ones you replaced your old Kefs with?
Is there some reason you're afraid to say?
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
I have experimented quite a bit with speaker placement,the port plugs and room treatments (ASC tube traps and the 8x48 ASC panels).My room is pretty large so I can move the PSB's well in to the room (and I'm not married!)Initially getting smooth bass was a problem but I've cured that.Mids and highs are pretty darn good.I still hear what sounds like a cabinet resonance with the PSB's.The speakers are VERY revealing of slight shifts in speaker placement,tube rolling,and cables.
"The speakers are VERY revealing of slight shifts in speaker placement,tube rolling,and cables."
Let's take these individually.
Changing speaker placement (and/or listener placement) virtually always makes some audible difference. There's no mystery there.
I'm not into tubes, but I understand changing tubes can make an audible difference.
Unless you use long lengths or switch small and large wires, changing cables should make very little difference, far less than changing the speaker or listener placement by a small amount. But if you develop a preference for this or that cable, my advice is get what you prefer.
I still can't get carcass93 to reveal what speakers he now uses. I wonder why.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
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