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Here's my situation:
I like a full sound, weighty bass, crystal clear highs, clear midrange. Don't like a lean sound and listen to (Classic Jazz /Hard BOP and some rock like Led Zeppelin) Want more slam than my Ohm Walsh 5000 protoype speakers provide.
I like a very real and present sound that is exciting-dynamic.
My room is a small to medium size family room 12x18x8 rectangular- carpet over concrete. Cary 500 monoblocks /Cary SLP 05 preamp
What got me to thinking about Thiel which I've considered before, the comments of a fellow at Agon; He has Thiel CS6. He posted these comments:
"I can sit front/center at a recital at the University and with my eyes closed it sounds like my stereo. The same goes for listening to street musicians. I have heard some systems that have pin-point imaging. I find that distracting and unrealistic. Voices and instruments should have body to them. Even after all these years of listening I still get startled now and then when starting the music and a voice or instrument appears out in space in the room."
That kind of sound, I want. But the CS6 are 200 lbs a piece. What is a used Thiel that is not as heavy but can produce this kind of weighty realistic sound? Thanks
Follow Ups:
I currently have CS 2.4s......Classe preamp, McIntosh MC 402 amplifier, Rega CD, and NAD M5 for SACDs. First of all, the 2.4s need some power to sound their best. The sound is extremely coherent and precise, but without any harshness or brightness some feel that they hear out of Thiel speakers in general. I've been so impressed, am thinking of upgrading to the 3.7s....so many outstanding things people say about them, all of them couldn't be wrong.
Red:
I strongly...STRONGLY recommend the 2.4. I just purchased a pair.
You should know I had the MCS-1, and the 3.7 in my room and decided on the 2.4 because I felt it got me 80% of the way to the 3.7 at 40% of the price.
It is one of the great values in high end audio.
Enormous depth, excellent bass weight, and off the charts
imaging.
But, you MUST be patient. They will take at least 200 hours to break in.
Why? Thiel uses very light but stiff material in the drivers and they sound "tight" out of the box. But after around 200 hours, they sound relaxed, effortless, and musical.
I can't recommend this speaker highly enough.
Who cares about weight buy them.
I've owned a bunch (2.3s, 7.2s and now 3.7s) when my friend worked at the high end shop I've set up most models multiple times. Depends on your budget. The 2.4s are probably reasonable, won't be nearly as hard to drive and not as heavy. They are also current so that getting drivers will be easier for a longer period of time.
HighEndWire,
How do like the 3.7 versus the 7.2 or 2.4?
Sounds like you have some great comparison to draw on.
I've heard the 3.7 and was extremely impressed - one of the best speakers I've heard.
BB
I like the 3.7s best. The 7.2s might be preferred by some who listen to virtually nothing but classical. They have a weight to the bottom end that is well suited to big orchestra pieces. It's a little sluggish in the bass for my tastes when you hear it vs. the 3,7s. I do use 2 Rel Storm III subs (used them with each) crossed over at 22Hz and set-up via a one third octave RTA. The 3,7s are ruler flat with the subs from the 25-80Hzish region. Without the subs in my room (which is a very large 2 story room) the 3.7s are ruler flat down to 40Hz or a hair below and the 7.2s would go about 7Hz deeper (give or take a drop - long time since I had them as I got the 3.7s when they first came out and it was a no brainer to sell the 7.2s and get the 3.7s before the $3k price increase).
The coaxial midrange/tweeter in the 2.4 is smoother than the old 2.3s (even the later vented drivers). However if you push them hard you are going to get some break-up. You'll particularly notice it with rock and jazz probably a bit more than classical. If it was my money, I'd go with the 2.4s, depending on budget as they are newer and you can always supplement them with a sub. If one likes to push the speakers with a big amp, then one might prefer the 7.2s as they will take the power and with the separate drivers not break up the same as the 7.2s.
I use an MC1 center with a Rel Q150 sub and original Power Points on the reals with a Rel Strata III sub. While I prefer stereo vs. multi-channel music most of the time, I do like defining everything as full range. It is nice when you like to a piece of classical with ambience in the rears.
Also, I should point out, the 3.7s are a heck of a lot easier to drive vs. the 7.2s (and the 6s could be worse). There are nice amps out there that may have a bit more trouble with 7.2s (especially playing loud) vs. the 3.7s or 2.4s.
What do you think about the 3.7 vs. the 2.4? Have you compared them directly? I've heard the 3.7s but under extremely different conditions that I'm used to, so I really can't compare. I guess the main question is whether they would be worth the upgrade. I do like the the 2.4s, but after reading so many things about the 3.7s, it sound like you'll get a world class speaker for much less money than some of the other more expensive speakers. What do you think?
Yes - dealer has them both and I've set up many pairs of 2.4s and have sat with people I know comparing them. In my mind there is no comparison. I like the 2.4s but they are not in the same league (l have not heard the special edition 2.4s). My last post gave some of the sonic qualities of each.
While not directly related to the subject, it is also on my list to hear the Maggie 1.7s. I have not been to the dealer in a quite a bit. I also noted I got my 3.7s before the $3k price increase (+ the additional for premium finish). While I like the 2.4s, it has crept up in price and I'm not sure I would not at least consider alternatives at its price point.
I also have to think the 2.4s are nearing the end of its life cycle. I'd have to think they are working on something of that size with the type of drivers that are in the 3.7s. I can live with the 3.7s as my last speaker. I could not say that about the 2.4s.
I'm talking about late evening listening when the family has gone to sleep.
Hi Red,
I was a long time Thiel CS3.6 owner. One of my most favorite speakers of all time. I had them in a 19x13x8 room which is only slightly larger than yours firing from the short wall. They need space from the rear wall and side walls but nothing out of the ordinary for this hobby. Your amps are on par with many amps I had used with the CS3.6(Krell KSA-80, KMA-160, MDA-300 and MDA-500, also used BAT VK-200 & VK-3i which did a marvelous job in that room. Sonic Frontiers was ok but 3i killed in synergy.)
With the kind of power you have and I used with the CS3.6 they where more than excellent at low volumes and damn startling at medium and higher volumes. Therefore I would like to throw the CS3.6 hat in the ring as an alternative to the 200 lb. CS6. The CS3.6 weighed in at 110 lbs. Still heavy but manageable. Used pricing $1400 - $2000
Bruce
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