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In Reply to: RE: Question for Gallo Ref 3 Owners posted by nickgva on December 20, 2009 at 20:06:15
I am not a Gallo Ref 3 user, however, I understand that the speakers are low-to-moderate with respect to efficiency. Thus more power could close the gap and could also make your comparison of "another set of speakers in the same room driven by the same equipment" immaterial.
Robert C. Lang
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I doubt that it's a power issue (I've used 12 wpc SET monoblocks on mine for over 4 years). At 88dB sensitivity and with what sounds like a benign impedance curve, the Ref 3s are easy to drive, IMO. I've never noticed anything like what the OP is hearing. Two other folks have bought these speakers after hearing mine, and their clear, open, dynamic sound has been a major factor.
They ARE very room-sensitive and the farther I get mine into the room -- currently 8' out and 3-4' from side walls -- the better.
I defer to your personal experiences. Readers may be interested in the 6 Moons 2004 Gallo Ref 3 review in which the reviewer stated: ***At 88dB, these speakers clearly want more power than my 30wpc tube monos deliver....***It should be noted that the review room was on the large side and in that sized room, especially, 88 db, is not considered particularly "sensitive".
Oh, another factor could be how loud the listener plays his music as well as music type. He said: ***I miss hearing it most on things like hand claps, cymbals, snare drums, and even on piano key stikes***. So, percussion seemed to be an issue. I have found that in order to bring the dynamics, dynamic range, and micro dynamics out with these instruments that it is most often necessary to turn the volume up.
Robert C. Lang
Edits: 12/21/09
Every amp is different....
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My room is 18 x 40' with a large "L" off one of the 40' sides and I've never clipped the amps. Granted these have humongous trannies and 845 output tubes (but just one per side) and the amps' designer/builder may have been conservative in his power rating. But I drove the predecessor Gallo Ultimates (four "balls" per side) with the same amps and know for a fact that some of the pre-production testing of the Ref 3s involved a 10 watt amp, solid state at that.
One of the friends who bought his after hearing my Ref 3s is also driving them with the same SET monoblocks.
Can't account for the 30-watter that didn't make the grade.
One point: I'm using the Gallo subwoofer amp on the woofers' second voice coils, so the SETs don't need to power the really low frequencies (below ~45 Hz).
That is a huge room. Do have your speaks in the symetrical end with perpendicular walls. Make your triangle smaller and within 5' of the wall behind your speaks. Try sitting at or someplace within 2' of the apex of your new triangle with bout a half way toe-in. And clear out anything between you and the plane of your speakers. The sweet spot position will add gain from the front end of your room and flesh out your midrange with better bass. Your soundscape may become more cohesive and natural, too. If that doesn't happen, keep adjusting your listening position or the size of your triangle.Oh, fooey, just realized that I was confusing Dave's room with the original inquiry. Nevertheless, it is sound principle and will reward.
Edits: 12/26/09
Thanks for the suggestions (some of which I've adopted in the past), but I think I've got a pretty good fix on the room and where the speakers work best, at least according to a lot of people who have listened to them here. Me too.
Behind the listening sofa, which accommodates six and is about half-way back in the 40' length, there is an alcove off to the left that is another 30' deep and averages 15' wide. I violate one of the basic premises by having a 250 lb. low coffee table between me and the slightly toed speakers. It's not going anywhere. The entire space is carpeted and there's a lot of art on the walls, plus a 6 x 9' equipment rack behind the speakers. "Formal" room treatments are confined to a few Room Tunes. The system sounds its absolute best with no more then three people present. More than that and they become human "Tube Traps" soaking up the natural ambiance.
And yes, the SET amps put out just 12 wpc and I have never wished for more power.
Hi, Dave. My reply was intended for Nick but having just read his second post I see that he has tried other rooms and speakers. Oh, well, glad everything is good with you.
Forgot to mention this earlier, Jim. There's something screwy going on with your home page, at least via Safari.
Oh wow, dunno, Dave. Comes up typing its name in my yahoo browser. What do you know that I don't? Tell me more. Thanks. Jim
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