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I moved my Vandersteen's slightly

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Wow, the image changed immensely. About 1" on the right speaker, moved it in now the image is perfect with my larger room. I purchased 2ce Sig II about 6 months at the local hi-fi store. Great speakers. Sorry for rambling...just thought I would throw out there that the Vandies are extremely sensitive to room placement, and IMHO the best purchase and upgrade I have ever made ...

King Regards from Baltimore,

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A blessing and a curse. - M3 lover 11:38:27 07/03/09 (0)
Having owned several time and phase coherent speakers (Duntech, Vandersteen, Thiel), I found their sensitivity to placement to be good and bad. While they can simply be placed in a room and sound pretty good, their full potential will not be realized without careful placement. This includes all parameters - distance from the front wall, separation, distance from side walls, distance from prime listening seat, toe-in, and yes Craiger, tilt as well.
The good news is after spending the time to find best placement, you should be rewarded with a pretty decent suggestion of a real musical event.

Growing old is hell related former youth.

Edits: 07/05/09
I do not find sensitivity to placement - Daverz 10:21:20 07/03/09 (5)
a positive feature in a speaker.

That said, I have a pair of Quatros on order. We'll see how the dealer does placing them in this room, as the placement method in the manual simply won't work in this room.
- Aren't you taking a huge risk? - Robert C. Lang 11:32:12 07/03/09 (4)
  ****.....the placement method in the manual simply won't work in this room.****
  
  Then aren't you taking a huge risk of speaker/room incompatibility, unless, of course, you can send them back after a trial period if they don't work out?
  
  Robert C. Lang
  - RE: Aren't you taking a huge risk? - Daverz 12:29:05 07/03/09 (3)
    The room is not even approximately rectangular was all I meant. So I don't see how the odd dimension placement method in the Vandersteen manual would apply. Any speaker would be difficult to place in this room with the usual dimensional methods designed for rectangular rooms. You just have to go right to trial and error.
    
    Here's the floorplan of my living room:
    
    I have my current speakers about a meter out from the stairway on the right and I sit with my back to the fireplace. I'm willing to try arrangements that are rotated 90 and 180 degrees anti-clockwise, though that will take more effort to deal with rack placement and cable/powercord mess.
    - RE: Aren't you taking a huge risk? - David Aiken 16:05:49 07/03/09 (0)
      As someone who also has a non-rectangular room (mine is L-shaped with one corner cut off at 45 degrees and 2 permanently open archway entrances on the side with the bend in it, one leading to a hallway and the other to the kitchen and a large open plan area) I can sympathise with your comment that "You just have to go right to trial and error."
      
      The one thing I have found from experience is that a placement which puts the speakers as far out from the walls as you can manage coupled with sitting a little closer so that you ensure that the first reflection paths are relatively long compared to the length of the direct sound paths tends to work well. This sort of setup weakens the level of the reflected sound relative to the direct sound and therefore reduces the room effects to some degree. The Audio Physic method works on this principle but the principle can certainly be adopted to irregular shaped rooms.
      
      If you have the freedom to use some acoustic treatments you can further minimise the strength of the first reflections which should help even further since I suspect most of the problems in irregular rooms stem from differences in the reflected sound from the left and right sides of the room. Those differences can move the centre image off axis, even move it different amounts off axis at different frequencies if there is a difference in the frequency balances of the left and right side reflected sound, and cause tonal and other imaging problems. Reducing the strength of the first reflections in an irregular shaped room, especially differences from left to right more than front to back, should reduce a lot of the problems caused by the room shape.
      
      Unfortunately this approach probably won't work at its best with speakers that are intended for placement close to walls and which rely on the presence of walls to achieve their intended frequency response.
      
      David Aiken
    - Thanks for the clarification - Robert C. Lang 14:44:35 07/03/09 (1)
      While you clearly have flexibility, I'm not sure if I see the room dimensions, except for the ceiling heights which seem to be a big plus and I'm not sure of restrictions you have such as furniture, WAF, etc., but it looks like you have a lot to work with that may very well better a conventional room configuration.
      
      Thanks again for the clarification and congratulations on your new speakers.
      
      Robert C. Lang
      - RE: Thanks for the clarification - Daverz 16:00:21 07/03/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Thanks for the clarification posted by Robert C. Lang on July 03, 2009 at 14:44:35
        
        The grid spacing is 1 foot. No WAF, so the only constraint is not blocking walkways.
RE: I moved my Vandersteen's slightly - Craiger56 08:06:53 07/03/09 (0)
Hello
By "moved" do you mean toe-in? I know Richard recommends no to little toe-in but we find significant improvements in mid/high detail with our speakers facing directly at our chair, in our room.
I've been wanting to modify the stands and rear spikes to have an adjustment knob on top of the stand leg, due to the different amounts of penetration the spikes get with our plywood sub-floor. I have to change the shims sometimes after moving speakers to keep the same tilt.
Cheers

Edits: 07/03/09 07/03/09

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