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In Reply to: Re: Oohashi posted by Kal Rubinson on April 24, 2007 at 15:00:37:
Sure, except in your point that these authors are "merely using the results/conclusions of the study to support or interpret their own interests and phenomena." I think that would be hard to prove, and it's not exactly the kind of activity these people (Griesinger, Boyk & co.) are known for in the audio engineering circles (unless you are referring to those folks at Stereophile). We can safely say that at least those named are more scientifically oriented in their methods and approach than the great majority of those earning a living from audio industry out there. Moreover none of those I mentioned, as I think I stated, framed the findings of Oohashi et al. in any way; they merely observed the existence of this research and its results, calling attention to the broader issues it too addresses. Sort of tossing it in the air and asking: What do we make of this?
So I'd say that's a bit biased as a statement from you.
Nope. None of these people, although respected and respectable in their own fields they may be, are neurophysiologists. Since they cannot replicate these or similar experiments, their use of the results does not constitute confirmation of the findings. When one looks at citations, those of reputable scientists in the same field are significantly different from those from outside the field. So, no disrespect for these people was implied.
OTOH, I have yet to stumble on any references to Oohashi's work in the neurophysiological literature. The latter would be of interest to me.
Not to be splitting hairs, but your initial claim was that they are "merely using the results/conclusions of the study to support or interpret their own interests or phenomena." That's a positive statement: it's basically claiming that they *are exploiting* the study for their own purposes. That's a very different claim than your current negative statement that "their use of the results does not constitute confirmation of the findings," which proposes that they *are not validating* the study.
The thrust of these two statements is very different in each case. I wouldn't disagree with the latter but I'm frankly puzzled by the former.
Without taking a stance on the merits of the paper (apart from my fascination with its research problematic), I haven't found anyone either criticizing its procedure or repudiating its results (apart from these very pages, that is). Since in accordance with all basic principles of scientific method the paper is very open in recording the details of its test setup and procedure, in principle anyone can also verify its basic correctness and assess its fundamental flaws. Instead of vague hints about lack of response in one academic corner (but not in some others) constituting a de facto refutation, why not break the silence and tell what's wrong with it, anyone? The floor is open and the audience is waiting and I am already busy making notes.
You're interested in seeing a credible confirmation, I'm interested in seeing a credible refutation; at some point we must compare notes.
I think you are splitting hairs. The reference and use of the conclusions of a scientific publication is fair game for anyone. For these audio technologists to do so is perfectly reasonable and I did not imply any misuse on their part.
As for the second issue, the lack of any scientific interest in this subject is, especially in the face of Oohashi's publications, to me, telling. It is suprising that it did not stimulate any interest in the field of auditory or sensory neurophysiology.
I have not read the paper carefully in quite a while but I recall that my procedural objections (and surprise at some of the results) do not invalidate the paper. They only prevented me from accepting it fully until there is some independent confirmation.
"You're interested in seeing a credible confirmation, I'm interested in seeing a credible refutation;" Frankly, I'd welcome either.
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