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In Reply to: RE: It's been 35 years now! posted by danlaudionut on August 20, 2015 at 10:52:50
"There is always a majority that does not
want to see the truth, let alone prove it.
They want to live with their dogma."And there you go! The truth is that the formal electronics industry does not support your claims. There is absolutely no credible evidence wire and solder joints have a "sound signature".
You are the one who won't accept the truth and are sticking to dogma!
What professional journals do you read to keep up with where electronics measurement technology is at?
And before you say "Stereophile", anything you can buy at a supermarket magazine rack ain't no technical journal!
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"The truth is that the formal electronics industry does not support your claims. There is absolutely no credible evidence wire and solder joints have a "sound signature"."
You keep saying this but who else except the audio industry is trying to hear it?? Not the aerospace industry, not the car industry, not the oscilloscope industry or GPS industry...take you pick. The truth is they don't know or care because they are not trying to listen to the sounds of things. So you are putting a big strawman up and keep knocking it down but it is IRRELEVANT!
Who says that audio electronics are not part of the "formal" electronics industry? You? Just because the circuits outwardly lack the sophistication of a missile guidance system you are missing just how subtle they have to be to not damage the precious signal because human perception is so sharp for some kinds of distortions.
"You are the one who won't accept the truth and are sticking to dogma!"
No that would be you, sorry. This whole "The formal electronics industry" schtick is evidence enough. Nevermind that the subtler points of audio design are simply not taught in engineering school because they are not "Formal" enough.
"What professional journals do you read to keep up with where electronics measurement technology is at?"
What kind of professional, unamplified concerts do you attend to sharpen your listening skills?
I have in my lab a LeCroy 12bit scope with 2G/S. It has FFT functions among a myriad of other things. I have used 100K HP network analyzers to measure return losses on coax cables in high voltage systems with signals in the hundreds of MHz. i think for audio the tools are probably good enough but the ANALYSIS of that data is what is lacking and the correlation with listening. Humans should be the standard and the measurements used to support what we hear and that correlation used to make better SOUNDING (not necessarily measuring) gear.
WRONG !!!
Truth is TRUTH
No matter where found or from whom
TRUTH is an absolute
If not absolute then it is not TRUTH
Science nor anyone owns truth
Science has been wrong many many times
Each time they had a "logical" stand
Science is blind leading the blind
Sometimes they eventually get it right
Mostly they have bad guesses
that they proclaim as truth
DanL
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Infamous sockpuppet
Never did it and never will.
DanL
single malt scotch?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Actually I stopped drinking 35 years ago.
DanL
"single malt scotch?"
"Actually I stopped drinking 35 years ago."
Maybe that's my problem! But all things considered, if it comes to a choice between the single malt scotch or being able to hear the breaking-in of solder joints, I'll settle for the single malt!!!
Chris
Except that nobody in the professional electronics industry represented by the IEEE is practicing what you say, not even showing any remote interest.
More of what they are not doing
rather than what they are doing.
No interest is the thing.
No interest in finding a way.
No interest in spending the money.
DanL
Possibly because they're all old and can't hear well like a teenager can when I first got into audio. What financial gain is there if many people cannot hear it or appreciate the difference. Hence the proliferation of solid state, digital, MP3, etc.I will say it again, don't let someone older than you tell you what you can't hear.
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What would we gain from this?
There are many more things that need attention, things that actually have tangible effects.
Heck I would even give Drlowmu some potential credit with his wild bypassing escapades, but this is out there.
Much bigger effects come from Placebo or Sensory Adaptation.
Slight variations in the way we hear at a given point of time depending on the environmental conditions leading up to that point in time.
Other senses we have that also adapt, are things like touch and smell.
That is why you are able to slowly slip into a hot bath, or why the presence of perfume seems to fade over time.
So in summary, swapping a part like an output transformer could quite possibly sound like it's breaking in, but only if the design parameters are substantially different enough, which they usually are when somebody is "upgrading". (Or changing some other part that is measurably and significantly different.)
However, you can't really account for that, quite often you have to make your selection based off of parameters ahead of time and fingers crossed benefit from the selection after purchase.
Infamous sockpuppet
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