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In Reply to: RE: please don't put words in my mouth (edited) posted by bwb on April 07, 2012 at 11:06:03

BWB

I wasn't going to respond but decided to anyway.

1. Never admit you are wrong

14 Times I admitted I was wrong, see these links -

http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/search.mpl?searchtext=stand+corrected&b=AND&topic=&topics_only=N&author=danlaudionut&date1=&date2=&slowmessage=&sort=score&sortOrder=DESC&forum=tubes

http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/search.mpl?searchtext=stand+corrected&b=AND&topic=&topics_only=N&author=danlaudionut&date1=&date2=&slowmessage=&sort=score&sortOrder=DESC&forum=tubediy

2. I pointed out that a clipping 5W tube amp was a bad thing
because of distortion and compression, he never spoke to that.

I posted -
"I can play my system so loud I can't stay
in the room but there is no hard clipping
it is just too loud for me to remain there.
So at more normal listening levels there
would be no compressing let alone clipping."
Which means "I spoke to that".

3. Create a straw man, take something the other fellow said out of context and attack him as if he said, like you saying I thought the tweeter needed 200W.

I never said that so don't attribute that to me.

4. Throw in a fact completely unrelated to the original premise and accuse your opponent of being ignorant of it. The Nut did this by introducing the idea of the first watt being the most important.

You posted -
The bottom line is that a clean watt is a clean watt
And I replied that the first watt is the most important
because the Original Post was -
"I'm toying with the idea of using a SET on the tweeters
to get the last bit of air and detail."
THAT means he wants the best First Watt.

5. He accused me of not knowing about SET amps and I pointed out I had low power amps and highly efficient speakers. He then attacked me by calling me a snob.

I posted -
"You are definitely showing how little you know."
Then I descibed that I know from experience that
you don't need that much power for a tweeter.
I never said anything about SETs.
And I posted -
"First that is just plain snobbery."
I never said you were a snob just that
the statement you just made was snobbery.
Because you posted -
"I also understand that you need to use highly efficient speakers like my 107 dB pair, not 88 dB if you want dynamics."
So the ONLY way to get dynamics is your way.
THAT dear sir IS snobbery.

6. Create a diversion by going off topic. He did that by talking about how loud his system can play and talking about how he didn't like highly efficient speakers.

IF a system can play very loud without obvious clipping
then at normal levels compression is not an issue.

Take a look at these response curves -

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/FE126E_files/Fostex_FE126E_spl_2.83V.jpg

http://www.bcspeakers.com/PRD/GRP/138.jpg

http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/16inch_1watt.gif

THAT is why I don't like highly efficient speakers.
You may not but I do hear that.

You posted -
You see, never once did he speak to the compression
and distortion cause by a clipping amp.

Because I don't have it on my system.
I have 5 watts to my mids and tweeters
and don't have any clipping or compression.
I cannot comment on my clipping or compression
when I don't have any to comment on.
You want me to admit to something that
isn't happening to justify your position?

DanL

SET Asylum

RE: please don't put words in my mouth (edited)

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