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In Reply to: RE: since most people are pop rock listeners posted by Adriel on March 31, 2012 at 20:51:55
I have never understood why people claim that live music is their goal.
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an unamplified concert hall classical music enthusiast and a modern rock and roll fan?
Just highlights how we use the same words but mean completely different things in this hobby, making communication a challenge. To be fair there are many nuances to this. Getting the "live mic feed" sound in the home, or dynamics, or volume. I suppose there are some songs meant to be heard in a noisy venue, perhaps the are people who like that background noise and echo. I try not to think of any music as not worthy of audiophile equipment if so desired.Some of my guilty pleasures, I know cannot sing that good in real life without correction applied on the album. Bringing us back to the original topic of "better than life". I could go on and on about these things.
Edits: 03/31/12
Get an equalizer and get the sound You want!
//m
But the way I look at it, live un-amplified acoustic instruments are the only reasonably reliable point of reference.
A Martin D-28 sounds the way they sound. A Baldwin concert grand piano sounds like a Baldwin concert grand piano.
Live amplified music? Like a rock concert? That teaches us nothing. There are way to many variables.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
All a point of reference is, is someone saying "I want to achieve that".Whether acoustic or electronic, all instruments are man-made, artificial devices that required technology to develop and did not pre-exist in nature.
A cave man might say the violin has too many variables, compared to the natural sound of the crickets, frogs, or waterfalls. But in reality, all sounds in the universe are based on infinite variables. It takes so many processes for any single thing to make a sound. But once the sound is made, all sounds are just as real as the other.
Therefore, an acoustic instrument is not any more real a point of reference than an electronic/amplified instrument. In some cases there are probably less variables going on in an electronic/amplified instrument than an acoustic one. But they both exist in the physical realm, one just as real as the other.
Maybe someone built an audiophile system just to hear vintage video gaming system music/sounds. So be it.
Edits: 04/01/12
"All a point of reference is, is someone saying "I want to achieve that"."I don't think you and I are talking about the same thing.
If a recording engineer is trying to make a recording that sounds like the instrument he will walk back and forth between the studio and the control room to hear if the mic feed sounds like the real thing.
If it doesn't, he will make adjustments or change mic positions or change mics....whatever.
The real thing is the point of reference.
If it is a Tele being played through a Fender Twin then that's what he hears when in the studio.
The way the tone controls, etc...are adjusted (on the guitar and guitar amp) doesn't matter at that point because the engineer has the real thing just on the other side of the glass and can walk back and forth to make a judgement (as to whether the mic feed sounds like the real thing).
If it's a Martin D-28 he might still walk back and forth but there would be less need. He has heard many D-28's being played by pro's, many times and he knows what a D-28 sounds like.
Now let's move to the world of re-production.
If we have a recording of a D-28 and have heard many D-28's in real life, live and unamplified, we have a point of reference.
If we have a recording of a Tele being played through a Fender Twin even if we have heard many Tele's being played through Fender Twin's we still have no idea how the tone control, etc... were adjusted at the time of the recording. It's just not as good of a point of reference as the D-28.
The recording engineer is using his point of reference to determine if his recording is going to sound like the real thing, we are using our point of reference to determine if our playback system is properly playing back that recording.
This is what I meant by "point of reference". I believe you meant something very different.
P.S. I'm not saying a Tele is "better" or worse than a D-28. That's not my point.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Edits: 04/01/12 04/02/12 04/02/12 04/02/12 04/02/12
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