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In Reply to: RE: So let's give SS the benefit here posted by Plinko on November 01, 2009 at 09:12:26
Having been to AN UK's engineering and manufacturing facilities, I disagree with saying their products seem laughable. I know of no other high end company which has the NOS inventory or uses custom components to the extent that they do. Look at their range of transformers: You can buy M4 EI, 3 levels of Hi-B and 2 versions of nickel with double C cores, and your choice of copper or silver windings.
Donald North
I heard these components, and they are nothing remarkable as far as Audiophile quality sound. At the prices they charge, they are truly laughable.
DOn't get me wrong I heard some $68k Acapella Speakers that seemed to sound like they may have actually been worth the money.
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Cut-Throat
I'm not a horn guy at any price. Not my cup of tea.
Which model amp is $185k?
Donald North
Prices are not given on this website - maybe they are too embarrassed - They should be!
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Cut-Throat
Audio Note is certainly a lightning rod for contrasting opinions. I am cursed economically by how good the music sounds to me. You are blessed for the opposite reason. Look at it that way.
"Live free or die"
Just to show the 'people back home'.But really, what's the difference $100K or $185K ?? both are outlandish for a stereo amplifier.
Cut-Throat
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but I think Peter Q sells most of that stuff to "richer" countries than the US! =:-0
Boats and Fish!
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I didn't really mean to make this about Audio Note so disregard those comments. I would find any audio product in the six figure range laugable but I clearly realize that this is more reflection of me than the caliber of Audio Note products. There are some great Audio Note products but the general VFM is horrible and seems similar to this ridiculous SS 2a3 amp (sorry, just my opinion).
Edits: 11/01/09
Everybody likes to bash the ultra expensive stuff to make some elusive point. Have you ever heard the Dac 1.1x Signature II ($2600), the K/SPe speakers ($3000), or the OTO integrated amplifier ($3275)? These three units offer some of the best value for the money in the world. What point are people who ignore these components and beat up on the company's elite gear trying to make? Volkswagen make a $48K Tourag, the laughable bastards. Oh yeah, they also make an $18K Golf but don't pay any attention to it, it spoils the story.
hey Bob...it's only my opinion. i've heard the lower end products that you speak of but can't remember if I heard the DAC. that amp and speaker are *superb* Audio Note products. the kits are great value. however, with a little effort and patience, I ended up with amp and speakers that are far superior for less money. amazing, eh?
not a single thing I have said should indicate that there are Audio Note products that should be ignored. there are always exceptions to the general rule but sorry for the generalization!
the > $100K products as consumer luxury goods with zero utility are only relevant to millionaires with money to toss away (50% depreciation upon purchase) or...fools. this can be interpreted as a fact that can be supported by the small number of units sold. it is even further supported by the small number of units sold against the potential market (this can be interpreted as the roughly 10 million millionaires around the world give or take a few fools). for the rest of us (99.85% of the world's population), the products are irrelevant and should constitute poor VFM.
so then why are these products even sold? because there are 10 million millionaires around the world and some subset of this 10 million are audiophiles. it's also obvious that the margins are far greater so one has to sell far fewer units. it's a nice market to target. all the more power to them but it is nothing to be applauded or swooned over at audio shows or elsewhere. again, my opinion.
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