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In Reply to: RE: Is This Why Wires Sound Different? posted by tomservo on October 15, 2010 at 08:46:12
It is disappointing to read a blurb like that using real science to paint a picture and then fail to use science to put that in perspective or present any measured improvement in any known property, science in the service of marketing ugh, smells like politics..
That's a common tactic used by the quacks and charlatans out there.
se
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Hello Steve,
I'm sure that you are correct and this tatic is used by some quacks and charlatans out there. That said, according to Bob Smith of Aether Audio/NuForce Inc, Bobstates he used to be a hard-nose, cables-make-no-difference type until he heard something that changed his mind.
It was this that set Bob attempting to discover what caused this difference in sound he heard and he seems to have done at least done a good bit of research which led to the article called "Sub-Debye Phase-Distortion - A New Distortion-Source Model for Conductors"
Bob even provides an explanation of the "Smith Cell" technology that's part of what's inside the product he's now making to reduce the affects of speaker/speaker wires/amps interactions. At the very end of the page Bob also states:
"...The issue is complex enough such that it's not easy to simplify if you don't already have a background in electronics. Standard EM theory is plenty tough enough to begin with, let alone to start throwing in issues such as scalar waves and QM (as Bill pointed out). Could you be more specific about which part you don't understand? There are several issues involved and each is pretty deep stuff in its own right. I'll try to answer back when I can, so please be patient. I'm in "no mans's land" right now in Okachobee, FL and have to drive down the road to hijack an unsecured wifi connection just to get on the net. So... give me some time and I'll do the best I can. Depending on the schedule, I might not get back to you until I get home next week."
Personally I'd like to see the more technically astute amongst us here at AA, ask Bob some pertinent questions. I don't know what my opinion about all this is as of yet and I'll remain open-minded until those here who have a good grasp on standard EM theory, scalar waves and QM starts asking Bob difficult questions and then should they find Bob's responses are lacking, then I'll decide what I believe.
Bob Smith can be contacted via my link below to Smith Cell Technology Revealed or at this email address directly engineering@aetheraudio.com Hopefully Bob will answer here.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
SETriodes Forum -- Central Florida Audio Society -- Fullrange Drivers
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"The man that hath no music in himself nor is not moved with concord of
sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils."
- William Shakespeare
That said, according to Bob Smith of Aether Audio/NuForce Inc, Bobstates he used to be a hard-nose, cables-make-no-difference type until he heard something that changed his mind.
So?
We're all human and as such are all susceptible to perceiving differences even when there may not be any actual audible differences. So I don't see where this admission necessarily lends any more credibility to his arguments.
It was this that set Bob attempting to discover what caused this difference in sound he heard and he seems to have done at least done a good bit of research which led to the article called "Sub-Debye Phase-Distortion - A New Distortion-Source Model for Conductors"
And this is yet another tactic of the quack and the charlatan. Attempting to explain something which has yet to be demonstrated.
The first thing you do is establish that cables produce actual audible differences. Then you go about trying to discover the cause.
He hasn't done this. Instead, it takes it on faith that cables produce actual audible differences.
So his article is really nothing more than masturbatory marketing literature.
Personally I'd like to see the more technically astute amongst us here at AA, ask Bob some pertinent questions.
And I'd like to see Bob actually demonstrate that cables produce actual audible differences.
Until he does that, his is just another in a long series of "theories" advanced to "explain" that which has yet been shown to exist.
se
Steve said
"That said, according to Bob Smith of Aether Audio/NuForce Inc, Bobstates he used to be a hard-nose, cables-make-no-difference type until he heard something that changed his mind.
So?"
To which I reply, AMEN.
This falls into the same category as "even my wife - who hates audio - heard it."
Anecdotal stories such as these are a soothing balm for those who desperately seek reassurance that their positions are valid.
For the record, I am a subjectivist but recognize - and admit publically - that bias undoubtedly colors my opinions, and what I think I hear. I came to terms with this a long time ago, and sleep well at night.
Larry
This falls into the same category as "even my wife - who hates audio - heard it."
Oh yeah. That's always been one of my favorites. I used it in a letter from a "satisfied customer" in the Audiophile Pricetag spoof I wrote some years back.
Anecdotal stories such as these are a soothing balm for those who desperately seek reassurance that their positions are valid.
Yes. There seems to be a tremendous amount of insecurity in this hobby which only helps make the marketing more effective.
For the record, I am a subjectivist but recognize - and admit publically - that bias undoubtedly colors my opinions, and what I think I hear.
And that makes you something of a rarity; a true subjectivist.
I came to terms with this a long time ago, and sleep well at night.
Yup. Same here.
se
I'd never seen that one before. It's in my bookmarks now :-).
Just remember, if your system doesn't suck , you'll need to spend $400-$500 on an S/PDIF cable. And I'd be more than happy to sell you one of course!
I'd never seen that one before. It's in my bookmarks now :-).
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
se
Insecurity.
COOL! What'd I win, Groucho?
se
:) :)
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