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In Reply to: RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). posted by Phelonious Ponk on June 26, 2010 at 05:17:15
Ponk,
You probably won't be surprised to hear that I kind of like Sean Olive. I think he's doing some seriously good things for good sound. I disagree with him on this one, though. 5-channel and 7-channel surround is "enveloping," and I can understand how, if you listened to it all the time, stereo would then sound wrong. But I'm convinced that the 5 and 7 channel stereo is what is wrong. When they start remixing all my classic jazz recordings in surround with the goal not of "enveloping" me, but of recreating the ambience of the performance venue, then I'll be interested. Until that time comes, 2-channel still rules and, in my system, it hangs a rock solid center image in front of me.
I knew it would happen!! I agree with ponk!! :) Logic 7 never ever sounded any good to me, nor does multichannel. That crap about no center channel while I suppose it is TECHNICALLY true, is just wrong as you mention here.
But a couple of things said in this thread are just not accurate and are bordering on personal. One is that Olive has spent his career trying to discredit audiophile beliefs. That's nonsense. Harman International has audiophile companies in its roster and what Olive spends his career doing is very carefully constructing, running, evaluating, altering and re-running tests aimed at understanding how we hear what we hear and what we prefer. Like all research, it has gaps you can squeeze through if his conclusions challenge your personal beliefs, but I assure you he didn't have challenging your beliefs in mind. He had his job in mind, which is helping his company develop products that professionals, audiophiles and regular consumers will like and buy.
Well I knew it couldnt last :). You may be right, but I would add that his company has an interest in discrediting stereo for the most part. Selling a bunch of hk receivers, jbl and infinity speakers is more what Harmon is after than Revel sales if you ask me.
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
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"Well I knew it couldnt last :). You may be right, but I would add that his company has an interest in discrediting stereo for the most part. Selling a bunch of hk receivers, jbl and infinity speakers is more what Harmon is after than Revel sales if you ask me."
No, we still agree. There is no doubt that the money is in HK and JBL, but really, no one needs to promote multi-channel over stereo. Those of us hanging onto quality 2-channel systems are a vanishingly small minority, an endangered species. And if a financial interest in multi-channel is your argument, it applies to every company that has any multi channel audio to sell. In the simplest terms, it is in a company's financial best interest to sell five speakers instead of two. So by your definition, Wilson should be big proponents of surround sound. We're not really disagreeing on this one. I'm just giving a bit of integrity the benefit of the doubt.
P
...by your definition, Wilson should be big proponents of surround sound.
I've yet to see a single MC system.
rw
Can't say I've ever seen a Wilson ad. I've seen their web site, though.
P
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