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In Reply to: RE: Read Olive's quote again Pat: the system is not a specific one. posted by robert young on July 02, 2010 at 05:39:22
"He is describing a type of multi-speaker arrangement, not a specific one."
That's still more particular than just "stereo," whether it be one or two systems. That's particular in logic as opposed to universal. Of course, he could have more than one type of upmixer and utilize a single system to listen with 7, 5, or 2 channels. In any case, 2 channel stereo as such doesn't give him what he prefers.
Now, can we infer anything at all about the quality of stereo available to him? Not really, just that he prefers a type of multi-speaker arrangement and upmixing of stereo to 5 or 7 channels. Not everyone prefers to listen to stereo in multichannel, but because Sean does is no reason to attack his qualifications and credibility as a researcher.
I am surprised you and Tony would justify an attempt to attack, based on no evidence whatever, the qualifications and credibility of a researcher like Sean Olive, because IMHO, that's basically why this thread was started.
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You are purposefully misinterpreting what is being said to deflect the focus of the criticism in this sub-thread. It is YOUR interpretation that I attack. Do you understand the difference between that and an attack on Olive's credentials? You should, but you pretend that you don't.
""He is describing a type of multi-speaker arrangement, not a specific one. (RY)"
That's still more particular than just "stereo," whether it be one or two systems. That's particular in logic as opposed to universal. Of course, he could have more than one type of upmixer and utilize a single system to listen with 7, 5, or 2 channels. In any case, 2 channel stereo as such doesn't give him what he prefers. (PatD)"
Sorry, I think you are wrong. A 2-speaker system is more particular than the options inherent in a "5- to 7-speaker system." In either situation, what we don't know is equally shared (type of speaker, frequency response, ambient room temperature, other equipment, whatever you want to ask), but what IS known is more precise in the case of a "2-speaker system" than in a "5- OR 7- speaker system." Get it? the former has 2 speakers. The latter has 5, or it may have 7, or it may even have 6. And yes, he mentions a particular up-mixer, but qualifies it with the word "like," i.e., "it's listened through 5 to 7 channels via an up-mixer like Logic 7." That isn't specific Pat: it's a generalized description using any number of up-mixers that are "like" a Logic 7. The way I, and several others, read his less-than-clear description is that he is describing the Type of system he prefers, not the Actual system itself (because of the variables presented).
"Not everyone prefers to listen to stereo in multichannel, but because Sean does is no reason to attack his qualifications and credibility as a researcher."
What are you talking about?? Aren't you the one who used to shot "Logical fallacy!" every time someone strayed into that territory? What do you do when you land there? I didn't attack his qualifications or his credibility. I think he was being very clear about why he listens to a multi-speaker version of stereo. It is you with whom I disagree. I may have different preferences than Olive, but that isn't germane.
"...because IMHO, that's basically why this thread was started."
Really? So what? You made a silly attack on Carcass' English, and I questioned both your English in turn and your strict interpretation of Sean Olive's rather confusing quote. And I'm still waiting for you to explain the difference between "no X" and "devoid of X."
I already explained that Sean does not find the same sense of envelopment and spaciousness in stereo that he does in his preferred kinds of multichannel arrangements. Stereo is devoid of the kind of thing he wants. There is no difficulty at all *if* you are trying for a sensible interpretation. Sean's post was not perfectly written (not all forum posts are), but that doesn't mean one is thereby licensed to make it mean anything want to attack him.You now talk of "a" two speaker system rather than the general term, stereo.
I never said *you* attacked Sean Olive's qualifications but C93 has done his best (not very good) and E-stat has tried in his own little way, too--and you have said zilch against it.
Added in edit: carcass93 has now pretty much confirmed what I have said about his aims in this thread and worse. See link.
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Edits: 07/02/10
"I never said *you* attacked Sean Olive's qualifications but C93 has done his best (not very good) and E-stat has tried in his own little way, too--and you have said zilch against it."
You are right: I stand corrected, as I misread your post about who was supposedly attacking whom.
I'm not saying "zilch" about it because these particular attacks are just like all the other attacks that occur here, and I really don't care about them, though they can be hysterically funny and often so juvenile one has to wonder if there ought to be an age of consent for participating here. My concern, or issue if you will, is with the hypocrisy of those who get riled up about attacks, then go on the attack themselves. Attack me as opposed to my thoughts or ideas or opinions, and I have no problem attacking back. But to whine about attacks, then go on the attack, that's poor.
is note that Sean obviously prefers the *enhanced* center fill provided by adding a *true* center channel. Is that an attack upon him?
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Lose sense of humor around here one day, wake up screaming the next. ;)
There are different kinds of idols.
Or, it might just be irony.
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