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RE: So... any idea why both of Wavelength and Ayre sound better,...

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In Reply to: RE: So... any idea why both of Wavelength and Ayre sound better,... posted by Todd Krieger on November 02, 2009 at 00:15:11

"The Benchmark uses asynchronous sample-rate conversion, the Ayre does not........ I don't think the Wavelength does either. That IMO would likely be the main "technical" reason why the Ayre and Wavelength would sound better. The Ayre also uses minimum phase filtering, which IMO widens the advantage."

And in true audiophile style, the most significant measureable difference up to 3.75dB @20dB in respect of the Ayre is conveniently ignored. FTR, Wolfson implemented a Linear phase as well minimum phase filter with just -0.18dB @20kHz. Therefore there is lot more going on with Wavelength and Ayre DACs, the MP filter does not account for the severe roll-off @20Hz measured on both DACs.

"Sometimes how a product works from a qualitative perspective is just as important, if not more-important, than mere measurements alone."

qualitative accounts are of limited value if adequate controls are not in place.

Music making the painting, recording it the photograph

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Oh boy... It's that rare case when I actually agree with Don. - carcass93 10:05:35 11/02/09 (4)
From Don Till's post below:

"Indeed, and as we move on it's assumed we are all in agreement with the conclusion as forwarded - ie. that the Benchmark does indeed sound worse than the others.

Truth of the matter, for the conversation to move on with any relevance whatsoever, we should be in agreement on this point."

It seems you're inherently incapable of staying on topic of discussion...
- You missed my point - I'm not in agreement with the original assumption. - Don Till 16:23:52 11/02/09 (3)
  And even if I was, and I might not be surprised if I actually would be, the most I would conclude it that the most accurate is not always the most preferable.
  
  But that fact I came to that exact conclusion decades ago.
  
  What's objectionable is attempting to find objective evidence why? As if one really expects science to back up their own subjective preferences? That's so arrogant and self-serving it's repulsive.
  - I thought I made it clear what exactly I agree with, quoting your 2 sentences. - carcass93 08:37:40 11/03/09 (0)
    If it's of any solace - the rest of it, or any of your follow-ups, didn't make sense to me whatsoever, as usual is the case with your posts.
  - RE: You missed my point - I'm not in agreement with the original assumption. - Todd Krieger 22:08:49 11/02/09 (1)
    "And even if I was, and I might not be surprised if I actually would be, the most I would conclude it that the most accurate is not always the most preferable."
    
    "Accuracy" should be associated with a standard or benchmark (no pun intended). Otherwise, "accuracy" will have different meanings to different people.
    
    (There is a standard for color accuracy of still picture cameras called Imatest. People use this to determine the color accuracy of a camera under review. The deviations from accuracy are ultimately displayed on a chart.)
    
    I no longer use the term "accurate" in an audio assessment..... I might *think* it's accurate, but that does not mean it would perform well referenced to an established standard, if it were to exist.
    - RE: Accuracy - rick_m 10:43:50 11/03/09 (0)
      I love the chart, it's really colorful...
      
      And color is only a small part of the picture, pun intended. How about MTF, pincushion and barrel distortions, off-axis glare resistance, speed, noise, handling, size, weight, cost, auto focus speed and error, flexibility vs ease of use? And that's just a camera, how about the mapping of the gamut through your computer display error and service's printer?
      
      But when push comes to shove, who cares? It's just like stereos, is accuracy in the look (or sound) or is accuracy in the emotional impact? If the latter then you're almost always better off with black and white prints.
      
      Rick

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