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In Reply to: RE: No idea, and don't give a damn. But you're not talking about yourself, hopefully. N/T posted by carcass93 on September 29, 2009 at 05:27:17
> But you're not talking about yourself, hopefully.
Not really because I have observed the audiophile phenomenon for a while. I was referring to people that have not adopted audiophile beliefs and therefore feel no urge to defend the tribe in the manner of the posters here nor those that have adopted an anti-audiophile position.
I would suggest that even though such a person may not follow the details they will be able to see the behaviour. A group of people with shared beliefs that they feel sufficiently insecure about to chase off those that do not share them, crow about it afterwards and even, apparently, stalk them to sites which do not share the beliefs.
And that's been pretty common around here. This thread is like audio itself; if they want was is easy to pick up rather than the truth that lies beneath, they probably don't belong here anyway, and I'd have to go with Carcass' "don't give a damn" reply.
As for Richard, he and I may not have agreed on things audio but we did agree that music was more important than the system. So in the grand scheme of things, we agreed on 90% of the most important matters concerning what comes out of loudspeakers. I hope he's happy at H/A - and he should be because he's among like minded people. Recently my opinion of H/A has changed a bit. I still have to weed through faulty conclusions and BS but there are some tidbits there that are useful. And our friend AJ is having a very nice argument regarding the need for "room conditioning" that I'm dying to see concluded. H/A isn't all "music is incidental" and "everything sounds the same"... but I do admit to getting quite a belly-laugh out of most of it.
> That would be people that aren't looking beneath the surface
So on the surface we have an unpleasant, unintelligent bigot but under the surface we have... I notice that you have not said what we have and I am not sure I want to go there anyway!
> As for Richard [...] I hope he's happy at H/A - and he should be
> because he's among like minded people.
I am not so sure that he is. Driving off unwanted audiophile silliness and audiophile bashing are not the same thing. The former is a requirement for the site to survive in its present form (like keeping DBTs out of the cable asylum) but I would judge that the latter is unwanted by most but it seems to be growing. The problem is not really to do with audiophiles but an influx of people that want to bash audiophiles like Arnold B., JJ and Richard and a small number of regulars.
> And our friend AJ is having a very nice argument regarding the need for
> "room conditioning" that I'm dying to see concluded.
Yes he has revealed himself to be a bit faith based when it comes to acoustics. I am guessing this is from following some of Linkwitz's writings on the subject bu the latter has demonstrated a willingness to adapt to new evidence/information and so...
... wrinkle in his brain made by the cap he's wearing, proclaims himself impartial "audiophile behavior observer", we just take his word for it. Right...
Gosh, I sincerely wish there was somebody on "the other side" worth talking to...
> Gosh, I sincerely wish there was somebody on "the other side" worth talking to... <
There is. Those people just stay well away from here. An R/E friend of mine, after my telling him about some of the BS that's spouted here about R/E's being "it all sounds the same" people, once told me that my computer has an "off" button and I should push it before wasting my time on this site. But he did surmise that such people are probably the reason there is so much recorded crap out there these days.
I should listen to him but this place is like a car wreck. I want to look away, but I just can't....
... both worth many thousands of dollars, they apparently do so only because they want to show off (or they like how the boxes look) - it all sounds the same still.
Edits: 10/01/09
> > I am guessing this is from following some of Linkwitz's writings on the subject but the latter has demonstrated a willingness to adapt to new evidence/information and so...You certainly know your onions... By the way, has anybody ever accused you of being very patronising ;^)?
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Edits: 10/01/09
> but under the surface we have <
...someone who got as much as he gave. I've been around here for quite awhile and, all that time considered, the bashing has gone both ways. And I'm not talking about just the two in question.
> but an influx of people that want to bash audiophiles like Arnold B., JJ and Richard and a small number of regulars. <
At H/A??? Admittedly, I haven't spent a lot of time there yet but Arnie and JJ appear larger than life from what I have seen. I consider Arnie in particular to be well beyond the fringe, which is in keeping with what I see as the main thrust of the forum. And your use of the term "audiophile" for those two would seem to be in conflict with your earlier, less than complimentary description of it. Or are you some kind of island in this battle?
> Yes he has revealed himself to be a bit faith based <
As is everyone beholden to one faith or another. The sensible person can tell in which areas his faith is unsupported and in which his faith has been rewarded by facts.
... that I'm not giving enough.
Will work on that - promise.
Now I have to clean the Pepsi out of my keyboard! :)
Don't worry, man - few people can reduce someone to a quivering mass of demented insecurity the way you can! LOL
- Aberfeldy 12
- Glendronach 12
- Aberlour 15 Double cask (haven't seen this one in stores in NJ or PA).
Of these, Aberlour is of course the most impressive, probably on par with 16 y.o. I had tried before. Then Aberfeldy, and the most generic is Glendronach. None of these probably is your cup of tea .. err... glass of scotch.
Just been sticking with the old familiars Highland Park, Talisker, Lagavulin and an occasional Glenmorangie. I've actually been drinking more Armagnac lately, as I got hooked on XO-grade cognac which I can't afford. Armagnac is less expensive and still comes in XO.
You sure do seem to have a keen interest in the various personalities. Not to mention a pretty clear belief system.
A post by "Patsoe" there makes most sense to me - room nodes don't coexist with "accuracy", so AJ's argument is at least partially faulty (more like completely, in my opinion).
I thought it was an interesting argument, and one that I've never heard before. I make no comment on its accuracy. I'd have to say I'm a believer in "room nodes don't coexist with accuracy" but I'm guessing AJ has more to say on the subject. The guy builds and alters speakers so I'd have to say that gives him a leg and two arms up on me, and I'm curious what else he comes up with.
N/T
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