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In Reply to: RE: Baloney posted by Ted Smith on September 14, 2007 at 08:45:36
Baloney. Assuming we can be 100% sure mastering engineers have followed Scarlet Book recommendation -- which is to make the CD layer a straight transcode from the DSD version -- and that's a huge assumption -- you still have two issues: 1) whether your playback chain does anything significantly 'different' to the two formats after D/A and 2) sighted bias.XRCD etc is a non-argument; they are almost certainly different masterings, with different levels and EQ and whatnot; XRCD vs K2HD probably won't sound the same, and that will be evidenced in a comparison of their waveform stats too. The interesting philosophical point you unwittingly bring up is, 'should all 'best' masterings sound alike'?
As for 'tenuous hypotheses', all *you* are making are the same technically dubious assertions that "SACDs sound better because CDs don't have enough [bits, samples]". The fact is you *haven't* ruled out the other factors in your comparisons --- different mastering, different playback, sighted bias. And I've noticed some mastering 'engineers' don't bother to, either.
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Howdy
No you are making assumptions about my experience and tests. But I know better than to try to convince people that have already made up their minds.
I was just pointing out that the original claim that mastering is the big difference it a huge over generalization from very little presented info and it flies in the face of my and everyone I knows direct experience as well as the facts.
-Ted
Have you go the least inkling as to why 'direct experience' is no guarantee of correct diagnosis of cause and effect?
Howdy
I brought up some of the reasons that their conclusion (that mastering differences explain the perceived benefits of hi-res) was unwarranted or at least unsupported. You haven't really addressed them, instead you attack my (undisclosed) experience and avoid the real issues.
Bye.
-Ted
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HowdyI basically agree with posts from yourself, other inmates and especially bjh in http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/3/37228.html
Also I think my posts in this subthread indicate that my belief is that they are more or less clueless if they think that mastering is the biggest difference in quality of hi-res. It shows an unbelievable degree of unsophistication for people that aspire to doing real research.
-Ted
The mindset behind such work is NSD, "no sonic difference". If "hi-rez" is no better than "reg-rez", the next step certainly must be to prove that "reg-rez" is no better than MP3.
NSD, QED!
clark
Or are just being crudely political and feeling like it's time to summon up the reactionary troops? I though you did have a rational Western-style education building on the enlightenment tradition, but maybe I read too much into your CV.TL
HowdyYes I read the paper and in fact I don't think it was materially misunderstood here (ignoring the expected knee-jerk responses of the fundamentalists on both ends of the spectrum.)
-Ted
Are you an AES member?
clark
Howdy
I'm a member of the ACM, IEEE, MAA and AES. Tho I have no idea where anyone would find my CV :)
-Ted
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