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In Reply to: RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! posted by andy19191 on September 15, 2007 at 09:25:09
>Since anyone that works with audio and has an interest in the audible differences of various bit resolutions and depths will have established this long ago <
You obviously don't know many recording engineers! Your statement above is so totally wrong that it's not worth commenting about further. Not just objectionable, not just shortsighted, not just a differing of opinon, but just plain dead wrong.
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> You obviously don't know many recording engineers!
Depends what you mean by many and recording engineer.
> Your statement above is so totally wrong that it's not worth commenting
> about further. Not just objectionable, not just shortsighted, not just a
> differing of opinon, but just plain dead wrong.
I presume you really want to tell me about how despite earning their living from making recordings in high and low res formats and listening to them closely for upto 12 hours a day, recording engineers fail to hear the differences in the formats. Unlike audiophiles like yourself who, despite not knowing the details of how the recordings were made, can use their sophisticated trained ears and audiophile equipment to clearly hear all the deficiencies in both high and low resolution digital formats. Please tell me about it.
> I presume you really want to tell me about how despite earning their living from making recordings in high and low res formats and listening to them closely for upto 12 hours a day, recording engineers fail to hear the differences in the formats <
Just the opposite. I don't know a single recording engineer that doesn't know that higher rez recordings sound "better" and more accurate. Most of them just know good sound, whether they are audiophiles or not. "If it can be played back at higher rez, it should be recorded in high rez" is their credo. I can't imagine anyone working with music and sound that has missed this, and if they have, I'd have trouble trusting them to get the best sound out the recording studio.
Knowledge is a wonderful thing, trumped only by experience.
> Just the opposite. I don't know a single recording engineer that doesn't
> know that higher rez recordings sound "better" and more accurate.
There you go then.
> Most of them just know good sound, whether they are audiophiles or not.
Audiophiles? What sort of recording engineers are these?
> "If it can be played back at higher rez, it should be recorded in high
> rez" is their credo.
Now this looks like fantasy. Recording engineers will usually take care to produce an accurate recording but will deliver it in the form the customer wants. Why is modern pop music loud?
> I can't imagine anyone working with music and sound that has missed
> this, and if they have, I'd have trouble trusting them to get the best
> sound out the recording studio.
I think you may be living in an audiophile fantasy land.
> Recording engineers will usually take care to produce an accurate recording but will deliver it in the form the customer wants. <
True. Thankfully, a lot of the customers want to maximize the RE's talents and allow him to do a lot of the setup. Especially when, as in a couple of cases involving RE friends, the customer and the RE are one and the same company.
> I think you may be living in an audiophile fantasy land. <
I forwarded your previous post to a couple of RE's I know, both personally and from their work. Both advised me not to argue with a nitwit and that the computer has an "off" button I should get to know. I usually listen to them, at least eventually. Sorry, but you do not know what you're talking about in this case. The experts in the field of sound and music recording have spoken. I can't argue with you anymore because it's as if you're arguing against 2+2 equaling 4.
They get pissy when people put false words into their mouths, just as they get pissy when I or anyone else tries to tell them their business. They don't seem to mind telling ME how to play the guitar, though! LOL!
> I forwarded your previous post to a couple of RE's I know, both personally
> and from their work. Both advised me not to argue with a nitwit and that
> the computer has an "off" button I should get to know. I usually listen to
> them, at least eventually. Sorry, but you do not know what you're talking
> about in this case. The experts in the field of sound and music recording
> have spoken. I can't argue with you anymore because it's as if you're
> arguing against 2+2 equaling 4.
I must congratulate you for an original reply. Do you think the audiophiles will believe it?
> I must congratulate you for an original reply. <
Thanks, but I can't take credit for it, as I was paraphrasing - but I'd say it was very close to direct quotes. I'll be happy to let the originators of the comments know, on your behalf.
> Do you think the audiophiles will believe it? <
Well, any that are RE's probably will. As for the others, there's no reason for them to believe what I post anymore than there's a reason for them to believe what you post. The only thing I really recommend to people regarding audio is to think for themselves, and try things out for themselves. There's enough misinformation on both the subjectivist and objectivist sides that taking anyone's word for anything is risky, especially around here.
The ones that make the best recordings.
Is that sort of like how the religious faithful have determined that the religious make the best religions?
Or those with superior perception have determined that those with superior perception have the best perception? Cool.
cheers,
AJ
If you can't hear ghosts, just how Golden are your Ears?
> Is that sort of like how the religious faithful have determined that the religious make the best religions?
Of course not. But your question certainly does tell us a lot about your perspective that you would not see the difference between assessing excellence in audio and assessing the merits fo religions.
> Or those with superior perception have determined that those with superior perception have the best perception? Cool.
When it comes to audio, do you have anything other than baggage? If it weren't for the fueds would you actually have any interest in audio?
Of course not
Why?
But your question certainly does tell us a lot about your perspective that you would not see the difference between assessing excellence in audio and assessing the merits fo religions
Excellence in audio according to who? Excellence as assessed how? Someones words of interpretation of sound? To be taken as gospel? Have faith?
When it comes to audio, do you have anything other than baggage
You mean like my portable radio? Sure, I have a couple home audio systems.
If it weren't for the fueds would you actually have any interest in audio?
What or who are the fueds? I do have an interest in foods, but I am not sure how that would correlate with audio.
BTW, how were those NFL games today on your analog TV? Completely absent of the harshness and grain of my digital set I imagine? Or does video perception not affect your condition?
cheers,
AJ
If you can't hear ghosts, just how Golden are your Ears?
> > Of course not > >
> Why?
You really don't understand the difference between consumers passing judgement on consumer goods and people of a particular religious faith doing comparative surveys of all religions? that does explain a lot about your posts.
> > But your question certainly does tell us a lot about your perspective that you would not see the difference between assessing excellence in audio and assessing the merits fo religions > >
> Excellence in audio according to who? Excellence as assessed how? Someones words of interpretation of sound? To be taken as gospel? Have faith? >
Once again your questions tell us more about you than anything else. Who do you think should evaluate excellence in audio and how should it be done? once again you seem to be confusing religion and consumer products.
> > When it comes to audio, do you have anything other than baggage > >
> You mean like my portable radio? Sure, I have a couple home audio systems. >
You consider a couple porable radios to be home audio *systems* OK,,,,, That also adds some perspective to all your posts. You might want to look into upgrading. From your point it shouldn;t cost much nor should it be difficult to acomplish. you might even start hearing differences you you don't believe exist.
> > If it weren't for the fueds would you actually have any interest in audio? > >
> What or who are the fueds? I do have an interest in foods, but I am not sure how that would correlate with audio.>
The most sure sign of an internet loser is finding personal victories in other peoples' typos. did you dance on the table in nothing but your stained underwear when you saw this golden opportunity to pounce? Must have felt real good huh?
> BTW, how were those NFL games today on your analog TV? >
My "analog TV?" didn't know there was such a thing as analog TVs and digital TVs. Did you mean CRT or tube monitor? I understand how words like analog and tube make guys like you see red.
> Completely absent of the harshness and grain of my digital set>
Difital grain of TV? what are you sniffing?
> I imagine? >
That about sums it up right there.
> Or does video perception not affect your condition? >
My condition? LOL
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If you can't hear ghosts, just how Golden are your Ears?
...I'm not above dancing on the table in stained undies from time to time.
"Am I boogying to a salsa dance,
or is that salsa on my underpants,
la la la scooby doo...."
P.S. I won't give up my day job... if I even have a day job.
Are you enjoying your speakers, you rat-fink so-and-so %#$%&^@&*$???? Hope so! I haven't seen any updates from you. How're they coming along?
Ha ha. I actually worked on them a bit today for an hour or two. Soon. Soon. I'm hoping for a working prototype by weeks end. At least one (close your eyes) that can be measured. With a generic DSP as xo. Daily evening rains have been killing me as my anechoic chamber looks a lot like my back yard.
The real McCoy uses a full blow computer, but that's close to 70% done now too. Sloooowwwly.
cheers,
AJ
If you can't hear ghosts, just how Golden are your Ears?
Like, totally, dude; the guy's so off, so obviously. Just don't ask me why. He should be, like, banned, man, by the authority of the sacred community of us believers in the privileged truth that no way can be articulated, dude, not to mere mortals at the very least. It's more than that, man, way more; you can't really capture it with this request for evidence thing, dude, you know what I mean? It's like a vision, a beautiful vision! You feel what I'm feelin'? Dude, we're free from the constraints of nature, that boring old bull! You know what I mean, man, only you, and let me tell you, trust no one else. It's all in your head. One day we'll rule the Earth again, man, they won't hold us down for ever, not this evil apparatus of establishment shit, you know what I'm saying? Poor losers! Let them spew their misguided shit. Let's go, we've got some work to do, since they won't bother; we listen, they just talk, those insecure sissies -- right or wrong, Clarkie my man? But bring that green marker of yours, it makes everything even more beautiful and blissful, I've got the hand cream already, and tonight we'll do this teleportation thing that Geoff showed us last time we spoke. Far out!
TL
I showed your post to my kids. It was an excellent way to show them the danger of massive amounts of illegal drugs. :)
Exactly, the clinical pictures are rather alike. I think you came close to a realization here.TL
> I think you came close to a realization here. <
Yes. A massive amount of drugs can cure any listening skills one might have. Well, that and daily doses of DBT's. But I'll pass - you enjoy! :)
x
Very sad -- really destroyed his family.
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
His participles dangled, too! It was embarrassing!
I made a joke out of this but really described a true story, and have met the ex-wife and her children once or twice. I never met the husband but he died a few years later, probably not helped by the stress of his arrest and subsequent divorce. After hearing this story it makes pubic, er, public libraries seem kind of creepy.
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
Can't imagine why his wife divorced him! I had to do stuff a whole lot worse than that to get rid of my wife!
They caught him by the organ and threw him out.
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