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In Reply to: In the home? Neither. posted by Bill Fitzmaurice on April 16, 2004 at 13:40:38:
Thanks. Guess I'd better buy something 92+ plus from JBL, Infinity, etc. in a home speaker until I can afford a big Coincident or the prices come down on the fine quality hi efficiency audiophile speakers.
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Over there a 92dB/SPL speaker is referred to as a toy.Your most economical choices for high-efficiency (96dB and higher SPL/watt) are either vintage Klipsch or Altec, Fostex kits from Madisound amongst others, and both finished speakers and kits by Pi Speakers.
Stay away from pro-sound speakers for the home; inexpensive models don't sound good, and those that have hi-fi specs aren't cheap.
As for high end $2k plus 'audiophile' speakers, very few are high SPL. Most are just high hype.
Its not a macho thing for me, just want something I can enjoy with my Pass Aleph at 30 wpc. I was considering that Fostex kit. Don't want to be the first to try it, though. PI I know nothing about. Do they make their own drivers or just the cabs?Your comment about the higher priced speakers is discouraging. I have seen where Altec is now producing a copy of the A7, but they are 10 Grand. I think Van Shweikert and Pass are also producing high effic. speakers, but again very high priced. Total hype? Dunno, but way above what I will pay at this time.
Thanks for the advice.
Fostex drivers are nice but frankly I don't care for their cabinet designs, trying to squeeze too much into too small a space (Japanese market demands). They make the drivers, you're on your own with the cabs. However, if high SPL is what you want there aren't that many choices out there.The new A7 at $10K is silly. Get one on EBay for a tenth that price at best.
There is precious little about any speakers above $2k each to justify their prices; check them out closely and you find they still only use at the most $300 worth of drivers.
Have you checked out the Pi site? Good stuff at reasonable prices.
Pi site: I looked at it. Have some question about where to begin. I'm used to fairly good sounding class b stuff. I'm not at all familiar with the drivers they use.You mentioned the A7. That is a speaker I'm familiar with and like, somewhat. What speaker system in the Pi lineup is comparable to an A7. Just as a reference point.
High Efficiency forum is interesting. Most times I got on there I received answers that indicated DIY. I'm not a carpenter, and I have no experience soldering PC boards. Also speaker drivers were mentioned that I'd never heard of.
I don't own a Pi so I can't speak from experience; better to talk with those who do.Pi uses for the most part Eminence drivers in their price point boxes and JBL in the premium models.
High-efficiency is probably about 80% DIY as the cabinetry is involved and high labor costs is one reason that the industry has gone away from there. Most of the drivers you see used for them you won't see in garden variety speakers, for the same reason you don't see V12's in Toyotas.
I was considering that Fostex kit. Don't want to be the first to try it, though. PI I know nothing about. Do they make their own drivers or just the cabs?Your comment about the higher priced speakers is discouraging. I have seen where Altec is now producing a copy of the A7, but they are 10 Grand. I think Van Shweikert and Pass are also producing high effic. speakers, but again very high priced. Total hype? Dunno, but way above what I will pay at this time.
you would love a pair of JBL L200's. Bean counter and Marc G have them, I have had them, they are from the 70's. They kick the kind of ass you are looking for. No sub needed. Also the 4435JBL's are killer.
Good bang for the buck
Tom
These and the 412s seem pretty popular at AR. I might like them. I had some speakers, Spectrums, that had some mid "horny" type colorations. I used them for several years and enjoyed them.
The kids repossed my 4311's when I brought my Ureis home from the job. I kept the Ureis in the livingroom for the 5.1 since its a major improvement from the 4311's.Well, this new music that they listen to, combined with age, dry rot, and a cheap amp took out the 4311's. So I replaced them with the S312's. They were very smooth, and for some alternative listnening, I kick the kids out of their rec room and give them a listen every now and then.
The mids are very open, then high end extends smoothly on the top, but when driven hard it can get very razor like (that may be the panasonic reciever too).
Can't beat the west-coast-sound JBL bass from these guys.The rec room is 50 x 80 and these guys can fill it up with a 50 watt amp.
I was so pleased I grabbed a S center and S 308's to fill out the kids 5.1. A pro jbl sub provided in a custom cabinet rounds it off.
Push all of this with a new panny 100W amp in 5.1, and I became the coolest dad on the block. I always know where my kids are. Now to work on the upstairs/downstairs acoustic insolation ....
Tom
I would have pushed off your comments in the past. These low priced "generic" speakers can't be that good, I would have thought.Then I read the Reina review of the Infinity Primus speaker in Stereophile. It is a rave and it's dirt cheap. JA even had to admit its excellence in some ways. Grudgingly, though. He had to mention it was made in China.
JA also placed it in category E, even though Reina said its midrange resolution was comparable to speakers in the $1K range and bettered some costlier recommended speakers.
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