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In Reply to: RE: Got any tips on my vocal mix? posted by oughsosimple on April 23, 2009 at 14:31:24
I see your running metal bands>?
Stage volume is a huge problem and especially in a reflective high reverb time room
You could do a few things
Hang black stage curtain across the entire stage area wall/s
Get a plastic drum shield to go around the drums
Check your gainsets....
If your levels from the mix to outboard gear to the amps are not right
your swimming against the current
Are you running your xover high enough output wise or at unity?
Have you run pink noise and set the system flat or are you doing it by ear?
If your doing it by ear get something to run pink noise with a measurement microphone and get it right
Those EV cabs should give you plenty of output in a club
I totally disagree with the post on running mono
I have had way better results running stereo on systems
Also, running in stereo you have a seperate EQ for each side which
is far better then having one EQ for a system spread apart like that
in a room
If you have set this system by ear then im gonna say there is an issue
You have got to set it with pink noise and get it closer to a flat
response
You can set your xover and everything with pink noise
If you dont have this kind of gear then go rent it and get it right
Follow Ups:
Yeah. thanks for that. I have a DBX pa Drive rack. but every time I run the pink noise/ auto eq it just makes it sound really bad. It seems to just boost the high end and not leave any real substance.
Crossover gain might be something to work on. It is down quite a few db.
The curtain idea is good too. That plan is already in the works.
Thanks for your help.
The auto setup is pretty much worthless. It does not include any time windowing and will include all the reflections, room noise, additions and cancellations in the measurement and will boost without regard trying to make whatever the timeblind mic sees.
The ONLY way it is of any good is to take the system outside-get it up in the air (say 20') and away from any reflective surfaces (including whatevery you have it suspended on), and make sure the level is high enough to be at least 20dB higher than all surrounding noise and have the mic on axis 2-3M away.
Then you can let it eq the system. Store that.
Of course everytime you go into a room, there may be smoe issues that you need to deal with, so add that on top of the already stored auto eq.
DO NOT re auto eq in the room.
Of course that is not the proper way, but the proper way has a big learning curve and can get expensive.
Well there is a clue right there with what your telling me
The auto eq seems to boost the highs
This is exactly why your not able to get the vocals on top
The auto eq is gonna set the system fairly flat
If the EQ of the auto set is way out of whack like boosting the highs
way up and it looks like huge changes on the eq then what you have to
do is this first
You have to set the levels of each bandpass individually so its
as close to flat as possible first!
Once you have set all the band pass levels close to flat as you can get
then run your auto eq
Also, pay attention to your threshold
Its entirely possible the threshold is set to sensitive and your
not getting the headroom you need
And yes output levels on the xover drive rack have got to be the
highest they can be without introducing distortion to the amps
Once a system is set to flat as possible then you can shelve the highs
on your tone controls on vocal channels
I typically shelve the highs up and cut the low control on vocal channels
This puts the vocal just over the top and not way out front of the mix
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