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In Reply to: RE: peak level at each octave band posted by tonester on December 27, 2008 at 06:55:04
Thanks for your reply.
The "10dB" and "one" band are not key points of my question.
Let me restate the latter part (the supplementary part)of my original post in a different way.
Suppose a graphic EQ and subsequent gears are operating just below clipping (and thus maximal S/N). If one frequency band (or a couple of bands) in the graphic EQ is increased by 4dB, should the input level control of the EQ decreased by the same 4dB to avoid clipping?
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Paradoxical as it sounds, you may need to reduce the input level by more than 4 db. For example, if the input signal were a square wave and you were to boost the fundamental by 4 db and leave all of the overtones unchanged, the peak signal would end up being boosted about 5 db. (Verified by using audio editor software to generate test signal, perform EQ and examine peaks.)
Another way of looking at this would be to see what would happen if you were to leave the fundamental the same and reduce all of the overtones in the input square wave. At first glance you might think that the net result would have lower peaks, but actually, they would be higher. The reason this happens is that the original square wave was a combination of a louder fundamental that has been partially cancelled by the overtones. When you filter out the harmonics you end up seeing the louder fundamental. In the case of a square wave this amounts to a factor of 4 / PI , which is around 2 db. In your 4 db example, the harmonics are reduced, but not eliminated. The magnitude of this anomalous effect will depend on the input waveform. If the input wave form is a pure sine wave then there will be no anomalous effect and a 4 db boost in the selected band will result in a 4 db boost in the output.
While the example was constructed with an artifical waveform, this was just for simplicity. I first encountered this effect with a computer audio workstation when I got a clipping warning when I reduced the amplitude of some frequency bands on a previously unclipped waveform.
It is best to keep a few db of headroom to avoid these problems.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I think the answer to your question is yes. Boosting one frequency by 4dB will raise that frequency above the clipping level so the overall gain level should be reduced so no frequency is above the clipping level.
Agreed... just as you would reduce input gain on a mixer channel according
to EQ boosts on that channel.
However, a 4db frequency boost "often" reflects a problem or deficiency elsewhere in the signal chain.
Our "other" rig sounds much better!!
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