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In Reply to: RE: QSC HPR15F.....Long posted by rp1@surfnetusa.com on May 19, 2007 at 22:59:20
I'm afraid to go listen to them. How much did you give up on imaging? Tell me more.
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I didn't lose so much on Imaging as on Soundstaging. These speakers image just fine, but the panels gave a sense of soundstage that was floor-to-ceiling and wall-to-wall. That was a nice thing indeed. The pro speakers give an nice width, wider than the speaker placement, and a good height somewhat taller than the boxes. But they just can't quite do that floor-to-ceiling soundstage illusion as well. But the illusion is good enough to be satisfying.
On the plus side are: increased sense of ease and dynamics. A more intimate and natural sounding mid and highs. Cymbals and top-hats and such all are much closer to their dynamic behavior in real life. I am suprised that vocal "presence" is better, like on great SET systems, yet with no irritation at all unless the album is just nasty. Even then the music is just more "fun". When played at realistic levels dynamic range is just...startling.
I THOUGHT the panels had great dynamics, and for panels they do, especially on the QSC amp, but well recorded big band music can make you jump on a sharp rim shot. What truly makes me laugh is that within my hearing range (my hearing cuts off sharply at 9.5khz now) the highs are smoother and more descriptive of the instrument than on my buddy's Wilson Alexandria/Halcro/DCS stack. And my dynamics are better. At one percent of the cost. His box is more inert, but since his house is not, he has the same background noise I have on a loud transient. I would say that unless you are going with a fully built and treated sound room any cabinet talk is a moot point between the speakers.
It is a must to remove the 16ga steel grill; it tends to ring quite a bit. And, being pro speakers, they cut off sharply a 47hz so a good sub is necessary. I have two, so that is no problem. The subs can't keep up with the full dynamic range of the pro speakers, giving out at a mere 110db compared to the pro's 135db, but I think thats adequate.I would say that, once eq'd on the bass, the pro guys come very close harmonically and timing wise to the panels, but dynamically there is no contest...the piano can actually aproach the sense of power of a real piano. I HAVE heard speaker/amp combos that I thought were a bit better, like the big TAD on Pass labs amps. At VASTLY more cost of course.
Give Me Ambiguity or Give Me Something Else!
So how did you learn about them? At Guitar Center? Did you audition there? I may have to do the same thing. God I hope I don't like them. HJow did you natrrow it down to these models? Why not others?
The closet audiophile/musician at the store that had initially advised me on the QSC amplifier model to get, had offered up his advice on the model speaker to buy. I asked him if the much more expensive speakers there would be better for me since I had the money to buy either and he just said quietly "The QSC are better sounding, by far."
So I took the pair home, did some impulse testing and sweeps and set them up. It took only two days to get them completely dialed in (that is, where I had no further desire to change settings, positioning etc).
There are a few albums where I miss the airy-fairy behavior of the panels; the subtle soundstaging stuff and all that. But I still feel that music is, overall, far more interesting and enjoyable out of these speakers. Big band and large stuff would of course be their forte, but what is really nice is that even jazz and single vocalists come through better with more "there" there. Even my old fifties songs are much more entertaining. The old Elvis music is especially gripping now. The QSC captures that "something" in his singing that enraptured his fans.
Give Me Ambiguity or Give Me Something Else!
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