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Hi, I know very little about pro audio, but I already managed to invest some money in really crappy gear. Sorry about the long post, but I wanted to give you guys all the information I can.I like to throw large parties in a small apartment (100+ people crammed shoulder-to-shoulder in a 300sq ft area).
This is what I need my setup to do:
a) Make ALOT of noise. (my setup does this currently)
b) Be rugged. I expect people to bump into and occasionally kick my speakers. (my setup does this currently)
c) Make enough bass so you can feel the air in your lungs thump to the music, as it does in many clubs. (my setup DOES NOT do this)I'm using:
Peavey PV-1500 power amp (2x300W @8ohm)
2x PylePro PADH1589 15" 6-way speakers 400W rmsNow, my friend owns a very nice set of speakers ($1000/ea) that had dual 8" or 10" woofers on each unit. I used to use his speakers and a Sony "home theater" amp from Best Buy (that's all they had) rated at 5x100W or 7x100W. This sounded GREAT. But more importantly, they definately moved alot of air and made your organs vibrate.
I first got these Pyle speakers and tried them with the Sony amp and was very disappointed with a) the loudness and b) not feeling the music in my lungs. I figured it was because I was running speakers rated at 400W rms with a 100W/ch amp. Now that I've upgraded to a 300W/ch amp, I can have mids/trebles louder than I need, but the bass is unsatisfying. It's loud, the floor vibrates a little, and if I'm right in front of the speaker, I can feel it in my body a little. I don't know whether I need *more* bass or if I need a different *kind* of bass. Should I replace the 15" woofers? Should I just get new speakers? ($200/ea is an absolute price maximum. ideally less.)
Before you crap on me and tell me Peavey sucks, please realize that I only need two things: noise and bass. Sound quality is not my concern. Also, I'm poor. I already sacrificed alot of things already to invest the $300 or so in my speakers last year and the $350 on my amp just now. My options are to invest $100-$200 more in the future and/or dump these speakers to some poor chump on eBay.
Thanks for your help!
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Your best bet would be a DJ type setup with a pair of highs and pai of bass bins. But thats gonna be far out of your budget. Those Pyle speakers have to go they suck, no offence. You might want to search around at pawn shops and the used section at your local guitar/music store for some DJ speakers. Brands like EV, Cerwin Vega, Yorkville, Peavy, JBL..etc are all goodIfyou cant find anything in your price range from the Pro-audio stores. maybe search for a used pair of Klipsch Cornwalls, Chorus, Forte, KLF30...etc
If you can build your own cabinet, you could check out the kits from Pi. The Theater four plus a sub would work great
http://www.pispeakers.comSo you have some options. best bet would be to check pawn shops, ebay, music shops and garage sales for some decent use DJ speakers.
First off
Junk the Pyles....they are just that... junkFor this price of 200.00 a piece your far better
off with these Peavyshttp://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPR115
This is a much better start for you and save some money up
and get some subs at a later date
With some tone control you can make these push out some low endI would stay away with home audio subs because of the huge
difference in efficiency between home audio loudspeakers and
pro loudspeakersFind a white van and go sell those pyles
"I would stay away with home audio subs because of the huge
difference in efficiency between home audio loudspeakers and
pro loudspeakers"Where subs are concerned that's not the case, pro-sound and home subs tend to have similar sensitivities, and often share the same drivers. In the case of lower end pro-sound products the sensitivity may be higher than home audio but they won't go below 50 Hz, so they aren't true subs to begin with. The only pro-sound subs that are significantly higher in sensitivity are horns, and they tend to be a lot larger than direct radiators.
If you are able to build your own cabinets,you should be able to find something in this link that will work for you.
Ouch. Those Pyles are really bad, you can tell by the four tweeters at the top side by side. No one with a clue, let alone a degree in audio engineering, would ever mount tweeters like that. So we know the speaker is a piece of junk from the get-go and should be replaced.Your bass problem has nothing to do with power, it has to do with bandwidth and sensitivity, and the Pyle is undoubtably woefully short on both. But bottom line, for the performance you're looking for, you need true subwoofers, and those don't come cheap. The price you're talking about would barely cover the price of a driver, let alone a proper enclosure and a sub amp to drive it with. Something of this sort is the least you can expect to get away with to do what you want:
Yes, I don't know much about audio equipment, but I have learned that no one at Pyle knows any better than me.When I received these speakers, none of the tweeters were working on one of them - it turns out they were all connected in serial and one tweeter was never connected. Also, the power terminals are arranged one way on one cabinet, and upside-down on the other.
Thanks for the link, the sub looks nice (but what do I know?). Unfortunately, it's not within my budget. Do you have any suggestions on speakers that are within the same price range as these Pyles (under $200 per speaker)? I know I will never get what I REALLY want to hear with my budget (as many audiosnobs at another forum not-so-kindly grilled into me), but I would like to know if anything in this price range might be better than what I have now.
Thanks for your help!
Your description of the speaker cabinets leads me to one possible situation: the 15" woofers are out of polarity with each other. Set up the speakers, fed with an identical signal, and flip the polarity of the leads, and listen carefully to see if the bass "comes back". It sounds like someone's been inside the cabinets, and it is very possible things did not get rewired correctly. It still isn't going to change the fact the cabinets aren't all that good, and that you may still need a subwoofer, but it may help.Best regards,
John Halliburton
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