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In Reply to: RE: cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO posted by cics on May 05, 2008 at 13:31:58
Made a new install with an nLite disc. Sounds entirely different..
Junaid
Edits: 12/02/11 12/03/11 12/06/11Follow Ups:
now? It won't let put in administrators!
Serge
I have installed using that very same nLite disc & enabled AWE.
When u type in Administrators & click Ok, that window will remain after a blink. At that moment two small windows are open. After u click Ok once, press Cancel & close both the small windows, & in the main window, goto 'File' & SAVE, it will assign a name something as Console root 1 in a directory. Save it. Then again on the same main window, goto 'File' & exit.
AWE will now be enabled. Restart the system for it to take effect & confirm it in cPlay diagnostics...
Junaid
for me the trick was to replace "Administrator" with everone and anonymous user. then it would save. I followed the other User Accounts settings in cplay optimizations, rebooted and then awe would enable.
or after minlogon? I have tried before. I typed administrators, Administrators, administrator, Administrator, computer administrator and so on. No way...
That's good. Though I got AWE enabled using Administrator itself...
Either way, as far as it worked :)
Junaid
Go ahead and type in Administrators and click whatever it is you click, can't remember!, yes it will tell you it does not recognize the name. Cancel that screen. Proceed as you would with a more normal install. Be sure to SAVE and EXIT.
I then go to cMP and see if I get the AWE Successful message on diagnostics and I do. Every time.
SO, don't worry about it. Just make sure you get the assurance.
awe failed... reverting to normal or smth like that and AWE IS ESSENTIAL for future tweaks.
This is what I think: As awe is a group object setting the error (advanced tab shows an unrecognized error) is to remove Guest from nLite install. Yes, it removes 1 control set from the registry, probably, but AWE is MORE IMPORTANT.
Serge
It can be done.
Do it again.
Please confirm, since I had already burned the first to CD.
Exactly !!! The 89mb one is the correct image.
I made a fresh install using it, installed drivers for my soundcard & chipset, disabled codecs, applied minlogon, AWE, & installed cMp & cPlay. I haven't even completed the basic Cics optimisations in the Registry nor any other apart from the above mentioned yet..
Have been listening for almost an hour now, & it sounds just amazing at this stage itself. I wonder where the mods & tweaks would take this. The best cMp I have heard so far. I strongly suggest all inmates to do this.
By the way, the size of my config folder without any registry mods itself is 6.8mb...
Junaid
this is what was on the iso
I'm sorry. I just posted another ISO image & edited my post. Please download it & burn it to a disc. I just did an install using it & confirm working !!!
Junaid
It is I who has to apologize for causing so much trouble. Thank You, Junaid!
Serge
Please download the ISO & install Xp using it, install Ur soundcard drivers & apply minlogon. I just made a fresh install using it & am listening to it. Even without the basic Cics optimisations, it's sounding so good. I wonder where this will land up after the optimisations & registry mods & file deletions done. Sounds so promising. Am excited altogether....
Junaid
Just curious if you left more "in" than the three things I kept.
And if you did, WHY?
A very important thing to be left in was the Multi-processor support in the Hardware tab. If not, the installation would be restricted to a standard install with maximum a single Acpi install. I had followed Ur instructions to make my first nLite disc which was successful but hugely different in sonics compared to the one I made today.
I guess now things would move in the right track. The sound is absolutely balanced from the top-most to the bottom registers...
Junaid
I installed with BIOS set for one core.
Do you think this would make a difference?
I so knew that question would come up :)
I can answer that in one line. If the OS is seeing only ONE core in the bios, then HOW DOES IT INSTALL AS AN ACPI MULTIPROCESSOR PC, when the setting are in Automatic?????
As simple as that. Even I have disabled multithreading in my Bios long back, & only one core is enabled. But inspite of that, windows recognises it as a multiprocessor. I guess there is something more to it that just enabling or disabling...
The nLite disc which I have uploaded was made with Multiple processor support enabled and the Computer type I left it to Automatic.
Try installing with that disc & I'm quite sure that even ur's would be installed as an Acpi Multiprocessor, even though only One core is enabled...
Junaid
Edits: 12/02/11
for MULTI PROCESSOR SUPPORT.
Set to one core in BIOS before installation.
Extremely spacious, no lack of mid bass energy, clean, sweet high frequencies ...
When i had made my first nLite disc following ur instructions, i did like it too, & i had even made a post on that. The sound was clean but BLAND ( a bit tasteless). I was expecting it would settle in after deletions. But the thing that got me worried was the high latencies i was getting with that install. Upon checking in the device manager, i found that it was installed as a 'Standard Pc'.
I very well remember that all our previous installations of windows, which had been done in all these months, are installed as an "Acpi Multiprocessor PC". Im sure u & all other inmates have previous back-ups handy. Try restoring one of them & check for urself. My question is, "Why was it installed as a Multi-Processor when only One core was enabled even then??????????????????????????? There should be something to it right...!!!
And i too assure u, that the sonics are way superior in every aspect in this new install, compared to the one i made as per ur recipe...
I strongly suggest u try & hear it for urself..
Junaid
If you did not have but one core enabled your installation is not the same.
Ofcourse I had only one core enabled. And I always did..
Junaid
Was your BIOS setup for only one core enabled during the installation using the nLite disk?
Do you use the standard cMP optimized BIOS setting for installation or do you implement after installation? This makes a big difference in what is installed. I just need to know this before I start the install process again. If you did use the cMP BIOS then I will have to try. If you did not, our installs are not the same.
I know you would have used the cMP BIOS eventually but I am trying to understand how you handled the installation. Your answer could mean many things.
Sorry to be so determined.
I have always used only ONE CORE ever since I started Setting up my cMp. I have never used multiple cores ever. It's been around 2 years almost, when I has set-up my cMp & since then I have not touched the Bios. Only one core is enabled, whether it's a regular Xp install or an nLite...
I started on nLite just last week for the first time. When I made the first disc, I followed Ur instructions step by step. But all I could have, was a Standard & 486 something (not sure) during the installation. And I VERY WELL remember that all my previous installs were Auto-selected by Xp as " ACPI MULTIPROCESSOR PC" even-though-only-one-core-enabled..!!!!!
So while making my next nLite disc, I left the Multiple Processor Support option remain, but chose the Computer type as "Automatic" to see what the installation prefers for my Hardware. And not surprisingly, it again installed as an Acpi Multiprocessor.
I don't know how this could happen, but I'm very sure that it will happen to all of us. Why don't u restore a previous non-nLite image u have to check how Ur computer was detected. Even then u had only one-core enabled. But I'm sure it would have been installed as a Multiprocessor Pc...
Hope this helps..!!!
Junaid
Just had to be sure since I thought many of us would revert to DEFAULT BIOS at installation.
I know with a standard WINDOWS install I would do this since it would stall when I tried using the cMP BIOS.
I remember you posting about having installation difficulty with 1G memory and this was what made me wonder.
I will now have to try with MULTI PROCESSOR in the mix.
One interesting thing was the machine working without ACPI.SYS since it was never there. Before when I tried to delete it (without the minimal install) it would not work. No surprise there.
Does this discussion explain why my setup sounds better with two cores (and HT) enabled? i did the cics- and bios-optimations after install. Should i reinstall wit one core and HT disabled?
tia
Douwe
I know I am quite pleased with what I am hearing and so is Junaid!
I am going to try putting the MULTIPROCESSOR thing back into the nLite install disk and hear what I think.
What is HT? I cannot think of what that is. Dull head this morning.
I tested: two minimal nLite installs: one single-core, the other dual-core. Two cores give little more space an depth. Sounds better in my setup (h55m-usb3-i3-530).
HT is hyperthreading.
Later maybe test acpi vs standard-pc install.
Thanks Junaid, great!
What did you include / exclude?
Is it a startup like RickMcInnis described? Or are already some steppes/BitchBatch involved?
Douwe
It's a minimalistic Xp install disc. Burn the ISO to a CD & install Xp using it. It's already optimised eliminating 70% of the components in a regular Xp installation. After installing Xp using the nLite disc, install Ur chipset & soundcard drivers, & do cics optimisations..
Junaid
First, let me thank Junaid for this generous gift.
Just install it as recommended, and it is one of the better setups I have heard yet still fully functional.
First I applied the CICS optimizations. I played around with various levels of batch file deletions and have not yet concluded which is my favourite. I did the Bold Fortune deletions followed by steppe to 12. At this stage it is very nice having opened up but remained very full and musical. I added Steppe's lost registry tweak and the watchdog and I think it may have been perfect. I went on and applied Steppe to 16 and the Mihaylov tweaks. Still very good but I am not sure if I might prefer 12. I kept images and will toggle to see.
In all and excellent.. and easy!!
I have not yet started file deletions. Have just made cics optimisations & just ran my registry batches followed by lost & last registry, & watchdog tweak. In short, I am just tweaking with the registry to it's fullest possible to analyse how impactful it is vs file deletions. Serge's boot.ini tweak has entirely changed the performance. It's just remarkable.
At this stage, I am very happy with how it's playing. No complaints at all. I intend to move very slow & careful so as to not get into a complication of whether this file is better to keep or delete kind. Once I am certain with the registry section, only then will I start to run batch by batch & decide how to proceed.
It's good to know u liked Ur sonics as well. I guess we are moving in the right direction :)
Junaid
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