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In Reply to: RE: cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO posted by cics on May 05, 2008 at 13:31:58
First off, my thanks to Grant (gjwaudio) for his insistence that nLite was the way to go.
My installation has no network and I am using the PS/2 port so I can get rid of the USB stuff. (I delete the USB drivers while connected to another machine at the end of the process)
Make an nLite install disk with the only the following remaining:
DRIVERS
IBM PS/2 TrackPoint (for obvious reasons)
HARDWARE SUPPORT
CPU Intel
Intel PCI/IDE Controller
OPERATING SYSTEM OPTIONS
Certificate Management
Group Policy Mgmt Console
Local Security Settings (this one might be done without. I will try eventually)
Out of Box Experience (if you delete this the machine will not work)
SERVICES
RPC Locator (figure cMP needs this)
Make sure you disable Windows File Protection and Prefetch.
There are other things to do that should be obvious. Look at all of the choices after the main deletion menu. Many are personal taste choices and others disable or eliminate stuff you do not want. Do not rush through here the first time. Think about what you want.
This will result in the fastest WINDOWS install you have ever experienced.
Install the chipset drivers
Implement MINLOGON
Install JULI@ - be sure to go ahead and turn off the undeletable AUDIO CODEC and to check "do not map through this device' and "do not use the mixer".
Implement AWE - when you type in ADMINSITRATORS it will tell you it does not recognize the name. Disregard the warning, cancel out, SAVE and restart.
Install cMP2 software. make sure all is working and check to see if "AWE successful" - if not go through the MMC process again.
Do the optimizations - you will find many of them moot due to this minimal installation.
On my current build I disabled the SMBus Controller in HARDWARE and now it is tricky to restart into STEPPE's BIOS. Next time I will leave this enabled. Anybody know how to RESTART without turning the PS on and off?
Disable the SERVICES. You will notice the list is much smaller and many are already disabled.
Do AUTORUNS. I took a chance (all worked out well) and checked a few of the VIDEO CODECS.
Use the Steppe REGISTRY mods all at once. Junaid's batch files make this quick and easy.
I find it better to delete the files without the batch files with the exception of Junaid's batch file of Mihaylov's last list. After this is done you no longer have access to REG or AUTORUNS. I have had problems with the batch files at times but never with that one. Use one of the lists of files to keep to know what to leave in. You can delete whole swatchs of them pretty quickly between the files you must keep.
I have found it makes no difference in what order the files are deleted. I start at the top of the alphabet and work my way down. I started this on the music machine. You will find the machine will not let you delete some of the files. No big deal, you can get those when you connect the DRIVE to another machine which is the only way to get rid of the last files.
While connected to the cMP machine I did the FOLDERS deletions. I was not able to delete the entire SXS folder but I deleted as much as the machine would let me knowing I could get rid of the FOLDER itself when connected to another machine.
I did restart the machine every forty files or so.
I followed everyone's experience with the FOLDERS, the two Serge's and Junaid's screen shots. Whoever had taken away the most was what I followed.
With this my config FOLDER is a 5.1 mB, my total WINDOWS FOLDER is 36.2 mB.
Been listening to this off and on during the day. Tomorrow will sound better after Serge's Extreme BIOS has had time to settle in.
All in all, this is still quicker, much quicker, than a standard WINDOWS install and just the cMP optimizations.
I do not think it possible to get below this. I am going to try to delete a few files just for the sake of curiosity but I have a feeling I will see only blue screens in trying to go further.
Follow Ups:
Hi Rick,
As I am about to build my 'real' server soon (I've been using a linear powered netbook since I started on the cMP trip), your process is going to be a big help. It would be nice if we can see if Registry optimization can fit into the process somewhere.
I had tried nLite once when I built a setup for a friend, but did not had the time to evaluate the result properly; but another friend of mine had been using nLite to good result in his system.
KC
before I had done anything other that load the chipset drivers.
nLite must have taken out something it needs.
Already found that going ahead and unchecking as many items in AUTORUNS that correspond with files to be deleted makes a difference.
This, alone, brought my total WINDOWS size to 35mB.
I do not think there is much left to remove but I think there is still something to deleting a few files within nLite; tell it not to load. Mainly stuff like the video and audio codecs and redbook.sys and a few others that do not pop into my head.
I did another build yesterday where I tried the AUTORUNS idea and instead of deleting files in groups I connected the SSD to another computer and did everything at once, all folders and files and the boot.ini file. All started up without incident.
The trick, if you want to use the registry cleaner would be to delete files in groups, becing careful not to delete the files that allow AUTORUNS to work which for me is somewhat mysterious, and then run your registry cleaner. I would do this after the AUTORUNS unchecking. And hope that the registry has not been changed for making changes to the registry!!!
When I was doing my AUTORUNS I unchecked something which allowed the keyboard to work. I need to do another install and pay closer attention. This is what made me do ALL of the file and folder deletions from another machine.
After the next rebuild I will attempt to make a procedure list. I will assume those who do this have some experience with the cMP process. I do not think I would have made a good teacher.
Hi, Rick! At last I am back here on a regular basis and the first thing I want to do, is to thank you for eNlitening! Also great thanks for ps/2 mouse advice. As I am sitting here playing with my mermaid, she is whispering that Nlite is just the toy we'd been wanting for from the tweaks part8. Now, as we are occupied with smth positively different (soon to be posted), you have found the way to slim things down even more. Beginning to rebuild CMP tomorrow (mouse, you know) with nlite. If you will allow a word of criticism..., you should have written, that we don't need to load service pack and hot fixes. Or, am I wrong?
Serge
to the ESSENTIAL MAN of this whole endeavour.
If not for you, Serge, who knows if we would have ever started thicking about this or at best it could have been years down the road. I know it never occurred to me but once you made us aware of your idea I was intrigued and started my computer tinkering with the help of Grant, Mihaylov and Junaid. I have tried to synthesize what I have learned from all of you.
Another thing, the idea of the PS/2 mouse was another of Grant's ideas. I had mentioned this before but think it should be mentioned again.
Thanks to you, especially, and to all, sincerely,
and I did not think it could be deleted! Did not try. I assumed that if SP2 was on your disk you are stuck with it.
If it can, that is better still.
All credit for my interest in nLite goes to Grant. He was the one who brought it to my attention. After a few false starts I would tell him it was not the way and he amiably disagreed vehemently. He is right as he usually is about audio.
I tried to delete more files with nLite and had no success. If WINDOWS would not load then I would run into trouble elsewhere. I do think there is a little more that can be done with this but after ten CD's I gave up.
Another thing I have discovered while doing a fresh install so I could RESTART reliably (SMBus controller) I found that in AUTORUNS - uncheck everything that relies on a file that you know you are going to delete. I did this within cMP and had no trouble.
Could not live without being able to easily get into STEPPE Extreme BIOS.
Hi Rick
Congratulations on Leading the Charge with nLite !! Your success with the process puts the lie to all previous dire warnings against using nLite for a cMP install. It is very powerful - and therefore great care should be exercised when choosing what to cut out, but the payoff is obviously worth the effort.
The next challenge is to work a registry cleaner into the regimen - to learn at which point in the file deletions you stop it executing. Obviously there will be a point beyond which the cleaner won't run, and files deleted after that will remain orphans in the registry.
With the recent report from KCLO, it seems as though Advanced System Care (ASC) is aggressive enough to clean up the mess left by hundreds of files being deleted.
Your next mission - should you decide to accept it - is to add ASC to your recipe, and compare and contrast SQ between versions with a cleaned/not-cleaned registry.
Thank you once again Rick for your persistence in The Quest !
Cheers,
Grant
That's not a Toy... IT'S A TOOL !!
I take it that there is no way to easily do this from an already 1-22 stepped system. I know Mihaylov gave a way to do it from CMP which I was hoping to do but obviously you cant do the nlite stuff that way. I am currently @ 45 mb windows and it would be great to eliminate another 9mb.
Maybe there are a couple of files less than my last list and this is only becasue they were not there to delete.
Since the REGISTRY is created at installation the only way to get a REGISTRY this small is either to do this or to take a chance of doing this without the file deletion part and copy the registry into your current installation.
Who knows how long it would take to whittle down your current registry to this size and even harder to do would be to know what to delete?
I remembered after posting that nLite does allow one to delete specific files. The problem is you have to type them in; won't allow copying for some bizarre reason. So, I guess the REGISTRY can be made smaller still!
with this installation. Took me by surprise.
I have had no problems changing settings within cPLAY with this installation.
I had lost the ability for some reason with the last attempt.
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