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In Reply to: RE: cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO posted by cics on May 05, 2008 at 12:31:58
Was auditioning the new deletions I just made. I'm SO beginning to wonder how much potential is hidden under the hood of this so called Marvellous cMP project. Try & hear it for yourself :-)
wowexec
Winfax.dll
Winhttp.dll
Wpnpinst
Wupdmgr
Cdrom
FlpydiskFinally go to the Drivercache folder & delete the i386 folder. Yes the entire folder.
Have been listening for an hour after making these changes & am surprised where is it finally going to land up :-)
Truly Awesome !!!
Note:- please restart in cMP mode to apply the changes..
Edits: 09/08/11Follow Ups:
Yes, the latest deletion list has a lot of transparency and air. But is it possible that there's too much of a good thing?
After moving the whole list, I find my attention kept on focusing on the high frequencies, while there is a thinness in the mid and bass. So finally I had to move back the winhttp.ddl file, and now there is much better balance in my system.
I wonder if this is unique for my system. If like me, you find that the high is drawing too much attention, try moving back winhttp.ddl and tell me what you think.
KC
Hi Jolida,
I am sorry about my previous contrary opinion. I was wrong! This is a great list, More transparency, wider soundstage, and more details.
I am not totally sure why I was not convinced previously. I can think of two excuses: firstly I did not give the new deletion enough burn-in time; and secondly I think that the difference in sound of the new tweak is so significance that a shift of focus was needed.
This time around, I took my time and did the deletion in stages, making sure that I like what I hear before moving on, or move back and forth if I was not sure of the benefit of a certain removal (e.g. i386). It was also a great learning exercise, how the removal of a single ddl would make such improvement is quite unbelievable.
Anyway, thanks again Jolida for the great effort. cPlay is now playing better than ever. I think I learn the lesson to wait before voicing my opinion.
Thats absolutely fine. While assessing or could I say 'evaluating' the changes made to the sound via deletions, it's better to give some time, because certain factors play a role in the Process, like our day's mood, quality of the AC power at that time etc. It's good that u te-evaluated them to see if it suits your liking :-)
Hi Jolida,
I have a contrary opinion this time. I move the files, listened for 2 hours and have to move them back.
Yes, the latest version might have more transparency, but certainly too polite for my taste, the excitement is gone. The magical immediacy of the previous version (what I called Tweak #4.5) is gone. Move the files back and I am now back to Joni Mitchell's live performance. The difference is not subtle.
I am mainly a rock and roll listener, and to me immediacy and excitement is important. I guess a chamber music listener (thoughI listen to lots of Bach too) might have a different opinion.
I had a similar reaction. As stated by many, we amay be in the relm of fine tuning. I had also made a minor tweek to a power supply, so I let the system run overnight to settle in. I must admit it was very good in the morning. Could be we need to let these things run in for 8 hours before doing the A/B listening test with drivers in/out.
It does take something like 8 hours of playing. I had to do it in steps to ease it in and it took me several days. Now I had removed the whole list and the sound is great.
Hi kclo,
If u feel that the changes made by the new deletions are not appealing to ur tastes, then its best to stick on to the previous stage. At the end of the day, its all about Enjoying music :-)
With this latest round there was an increase in transparency and resolution that is almost hard to describe.
Maybe there is a cumulative effect?
I have not re-installed the two "JUL@" files yet. I do not find any hollowness in the region described but many times (most times) it is easy to delude oneself so I am going to try it.
Being a rather mindlessly decisive type I had deleted those files completely so I had to copy them from my other computer. I put them on a thumb drive and discovered that the music computer no longer recognizes it. Even though it shows up in DEVICE MANAGER/HARDWARE it will not show up on MY COMPUTER. I will have to put it on a HDD to give it a try. Not that that is a problem. Just thought it was interesting.
Also, as I had mentioned before after these deletions you will find some of the cics recommended optimizations have disappeared. Most notably was the SYSTEM/ADVANCED/PERFORMANCE setting. I had to reset to BEST PERFORMANCE. One should take a quick run through to see what your machine might have done with these settings.
little bug: mine doesn't shut down because freezes itself closing cMP (I must turn off by PC switch )but restarts with no problems at all.
I don't know which file needs to a regular shut down, I've deleted too much but sound is fantastic. I'll can switch off throughout my life :-)
Audiodan,
I have implemented all deletions prescribed, but my cMP shuts down with absolutely no problem, like it used to. Since when are u facing this issue?
It happens after steppe's step 4. It was too many files and registry change to record. Moreover pc restarts perfectly so I cannot know with precision at which file or goup of files I could attribute this fact.
It's just bit boring but it doesn't matter
Oh ok.. When I implemented my cMP last year, I had disabled the restart option in the device manager. So I can only Shut down instead of a reboot...
I too lost ability to use a thumb drive somewhere on this journey.
If anyone figures out how to get USB to recognize a thumb drive or usb hdd, I would love to hear it. Not sure at what point it failed to be found, but I need to get this back to add music.
thanks
Do you go back to xp mode to add music via thumb drive? Also make sure at least usb 2.0 is enabled in bios/control panel.
Thanks, I'll check. The thing is it used to work. Now I put the same device in the same slot and it never gets discovered. I have to think one of these drivers was used by the external drive, or the plug and play subsystem. Just not sure how to go about finding which one.
In case someone else goes down this rat hole..
I fixed it by enabling all the usb devices. Now the usb hdd is recognized in the same usb ports that previously saw my mouse or dac but not the hdd. thank heavens I dodged a rebuild.
I too found that the system performance setting had changed.
My settings remained un-changed though !!
Thanks for heads up on this (ie, best perf).Edit: but mine did not reset.
Edits: 09/09/11
My feedback: more transparency, louder, more of the same the last jolida batch brought us. When I listened yesterday it was solid homerun. This am my system showed more of the grunge I usually get until the system warms up. But it was plainly/painfully noticeable. In 15 minutes it was back to yesterday's performance level... an out and out success!
Exactly !! More transparent. Most of all I liked the Delicacy in the Midrange & Instrument-definition. And again, Noise-floor dropped further. Am able to hear how long the piano notes are sustained in certain recordings. Overall, more clean & Musical. I'm surprised to see how quick the cMP shuts down after this deletion..
Quick question does deletion/removal of cdrom preclude you from reloading windows from a disk? That is ok for us that use image restorers like snapshot or ghost but for those that don't this could be an issue.
http://m.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/where-do-i-put-cdromsys/81265.html
We would be needing a CD-Rom drive only when we need to re-install a corrupt Windows installation (i.e. when it does not boot). So having the cdrom.sys file in the system is of no use when we are unable to boot to Windows itself. Either way, a corrupt Windows installation has to be repaired before Windows starts, by booting from the Windows set-up CD & selecting to repair a Windows partition. And as for us, who have made an image of the cMP partition with Drive-backup solutions ( i use Acronis), we as well need to start the Recovery procedure by booting from a CD of that Recovery program. The CD rom just needs to be enabled in the BIOS for both the situations to work.
As for the cdrom.sys file in Windows, its only for using a cd-rom to install something while windows is already running ( which ofcourse we would not)...
Can't wait to try you are amazing!
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