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In Reply to: RE: Cplay 2-41 or better. New Very Important tweaks part 2 posted by steppe on August 17, 2011 at 05:48:57
You preface with "IT IS ASUMED, that you have already removed all the audio codecs and Windows file protection" but I am unaware of a way to do the latter in sp3. You have many responses but no one asks about this so maybe I am missing something widely known. How do you disable or remove windows file protection when using XP Pro sp3?
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maybe I am missing something widely known . . .
And the rest of us could well have it wrong but I suspect that Serge was just being circumspect (which, in this milieu, is welcome).
Whatever, if you have successfully implemented the minlogon change, you have (SP2 or SP3) "removed" WFP. If you haven't, do as you're told at the link - it's the same palaver with either SP and well worth the slight effort in both cases.
Part 1 (removing audio codecs in DevManager) is also trivial to do but IME equally worthwhile.
XPlite and the manual procedure that it automates are only for sp2 not 3. I used the method via safe mode that does not need wfp disabled to install minlogon.
So I am still looking for a way to follow Steppe's 2 with sp3. I have already dont step 1.
XPlite and the manual procedure that it automates are only for sp2 not 3.
Sorry, I wasn't aware that that was the case. But I don't see why you can't just locate and move/delete the files regardless using Explorer and/or the DOS prompt. After all, that's how we get rid of winlogon.exe in the first place . . .
If WFP is off (regardless of how you do it) and the backup files are removed from the dll cache, I don't see your problem. Sorry if I'm being dumb.
Dave
Doing minlogon setup one substitutes one winlogon file for another--so wfp is 'fooled'. Here one removes files without substituting. I did not think that in this case files would be removed from the caches. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me that it would work this way because if wfp reformulates what files to maintain at each startup how does it know to replace missing files? That is, I would expect it to replace what I removed rather than eliminate what I removed from caches. Do you KNOW otherwise from experience?
I would expect it to replace what I removed rather than eliminate what I removed from caches.
Yes, of course. That's why you have to delete any backup file from the cache as well as the working one from \system32.
Hence my earlier suggestion that you use the /s switch with the DIR command - you see where every copy of the file is located. As both \drivers and \dllcache are sub-folders of \system32, it's easy.
Do you KNOW otherwise from experience?
Well, yes, I think so (he said, blinking in the glare of the bright lamp shining in his eyes). OTOH, I can't see the roof falling in if you just give it a try. It's mostly how I got my experience, such as it is.
As ever, be sure to have to hand an up-to-date backup of the OS partition before you do anything like this.
D
Oh, I took your recommendation to mean that wfp would remove the files from the caches if I removed them from \system32 while it was off. I will try to remove them from all places in safe mode and restart and see what happens. I still wonder why wfp wouldn't call foul in that case causing error or startup failure: does it really only know which files to maintain by what is in the cache and not from some standard list it references?And the bright light in your eyes is to help you listen objectively, i.e., double-blind.
Edits: 08/22/11
I still wonder why wfp wouldn't call foul . . .
So do I. BTW, I see that litepc.com claims that XPLite "Supports . . . all XP service packs including SP3!"
does it really only know which files to maintain by what is in the cache
No idea. Why not ensure you have (and can use) an OS backup and just give it a go?
Best
Dave
at least on my cMP2 installation.
I have removed all the files Steppe listed except the duplicates in .cab files which I don't know how to cut from the .cab. The system only allows extraction of these which I believe leaves the driver in the cab and just allows a copy to be made. What I don't know yet is whether wfp can only replace these or also ones that were only in \system32 but not in a cache (at least that showed on a search).
I do believe I hear an improvement right off, but I need more listening as I first put on a great 24/192 album that sounds super no matter what.
my machine is SP2, not SP3 with WFP removed.
I do not remember hearing that WFP could not be removed from SP3 XP. I could have missed it.
I have gone back to check and the files are still "gone".
Not responding to RYELANDS, thought it best to put my comment in the next logical spot.
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