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In Reply to: RE: cplay 2.40 or better? New very important tweaks. (VERY LONG) posted by steppe on July 04, 2011 at 04:35:05
Hello, everybody! I more or less managed to reconstruct what I did.
First I DELETED all codecs, including Microsoft PCM converter. IT DOES MOST TWEAKING
As for the registry, I still remember it vague, but I recollect now that two entries were from antivirus software, one unknown (and very suspicious), one from anti malware bytes smth (hidden worm possibly) and several microsoft entries. I didn't touch netscape entry, though it was tempting.
MOST IMPORTANT I reconstructed the tweak with codecs on my wife's machine
1 I installed Asio-for-all on her comp to drive onboard azahlia soundcard.
2. I installed cPlay 2-39 sse2 on her machine
3 I removed joystics, mixers and all the rest
4 I set ALL CODECS to DO NOT USE. Everything worked fine. The effect is very strong.
5 I started swithing on MS codecs one by one untill the sound came back to initial quality. TWO are most important to remove - Windows media audio AND PCM converter (on both my machines it went off easily).
6 I think registry tweaking is relatively unimportant now.
Now some speculations and reflections. I noticed that HF are a little bit TOO PROMINENT, so I suppose that Cics was "voicing" the player subconsciously to overcome codecs' bottleneck. Now, when there is no bottleneck, the highs are a little bit too loud and somewhat grainy, maybe too "eager". Also I think that our beloved Secretly Rabid Code is probably using pcm converter from Microsoft or touches windows media audio somehow.
I urgently suggest that folks with studio monitors would try codecs tweak and report on the difference.
Also I suspect on the edge of my hearing an increase in hf hiss at higher volume. (Please mind that I use now very poor speakers).
It is getting too long, but I will tell You, that I have compared untweaked And tweaked cmp-cplay with two cd players : one a $3500 Ayre player, another - 12000 euro Gryphon Mikado. The report will surprise You, but leave till my next post, where I will report also of our player compared to my former Accuphase setup.
Happy tweaking.
Serge.
Follow Ups:
Hi Serge,
Off board Theo and I already communicated about the SQ changes.
See here after.
I only disabled the sound codecs.
I did not delete them.
Reading other posts in this thread,
I think in general, everyone is hearing more or less the same type of SQ changes.
Thank you for this tweak
Mark
> > > > > Hi Theo,
> > > > > I'm right at it.
> > > > > First impressions: indeed a nice SQ pop.
> > > > > There are more micro details and also a somewhat better stereo image.
> > > > >
> > > > > But also some HF brightness added.
> > > > > (may be I just have too get used too the new sound)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think I like it.
> > > > > Especially because the combination of ferrites + caps 'softens' the
> > > > > extra HF
> > > > > brightness
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
fully optimized cMP2 PC -> ESI Juli@ -> Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII-> Lavry Black DA10 -> XLR Mogami Gold -> Klein & Hummel O300
Hello All:
Started using cPlay and I really love the sound. Is there any helper programs to build cue sheets with the direct paths built in? I know I can edit the text file, but has anybody come up with a better way? Thanks,
Kevin
Yes I tried the Alan Jordan download. Installs fine and brings up all of my music tracks. I specify the root dir to build a cue file in, select a few tracks and yes...it builds the cue file. However to does not work with cPlay, the error I get is that FLAC file can't be found (because its looking for the file in the root dir, not the sub dir). Its possible I don't have it configured correctly...but their don't seem like a lot of options to play with.
Kevin
nt
fully optimized cMP2 PC -> ESI Juli@ -> Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII-> Lavry Black DA10 -> XLR Mogami Gold -> Klein & Hummel O300
I more or less managed to reconstruct what I did.
and I've managed to reproduce your results . . . while stone-cold sober, even.
I deleted all the Audio codecs except for the Windows PCM converter which XP wouldn't allow me to remove. However, I could disable it so I did.
I repeated this for Legacy Audio Drivers, Legacy Video Capture Devices and Media Control Devices. I also "removed" the Video codecs but they reappeared on re-boot so I deleted the .dll files instead. (Whether these matter in the slightest, I have no idea but removing them did no harm.)
I've now listened to the change using familiar material over two lengthy sessions and during casual listening and am firmly convinced that the change is well worth making. (I don't find the treble excessive using what I'd term mid-range kit though I'm not saying you're wrong either.)
Many thanks!
Dave
Hi Ryelands,The deleted dll-file most likely will re-appear through the actions of the windows file protection system. When a vital OS file is deleted, the Windows file protection systems normally will detect this and will try too re-install a copy from the dllcache-directory. See :\windows\system32\dllcache
So don’t forget too delete these file from the dllcache too. But probably than the windows file protection system will ask you for the CD with the original Windows XP installation files.
Mark
NB
This Windows file protection system can nicely be misused when applying the minlogon.
Rename the minlogon.exe too winlogon.exe.
Replace the original winlogon.exe in the dllcache with the renamed ‘fake winlogon.exe’-file into the dllcache.
Delete the winlogon.exe (that XP actually uses) in the :\windows\system32 directory.
The windows file protection system will detect this and will now look in the dllcache for a backup copy.
The windows file protection system will now install the ‘fake winlogon.exe’ for you from the dllcache.
Just as you want this too happen.
:-)
(don't forget too apply the needed registry edit. The windows file protection system will not do this)
fully optimized cMP2 PC -> ESI Juli@ -> Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII-> Lavry Black DA10 -> XLR Mogami Gold -> Klein & Hummel O300
Edits: 07/08/11
just curious.
nt
fully optimized cMP2 PC -> ESI Juli@ -> Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII-> Lavry Black DA10 -> XLR Mogami Gold -> Klein & Hummel O300
Hi, WFP can be completely disabled. Read carefull about minlogon tweak. There is a try-out progran that does it
.serge
see the minlog section
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
Hi Dawnrazor,Thankx for the link on how too disable the WFP feature manually.
But I think using ‘step 2’ in the minlogon implementation is much work.
Why going through the all that trouble of disabling the WFP feature if one can let it do the job for you.
Simply copy the ‘fake winlogon.exe’ in too the dllcache directory, etc.Mark
fully optimized cMP2 PC -> ESI Juli@ -> Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII-> Lavry Black DA10 -> XLR Mogami Gold -> Klein & Hummel O300
Edits: 07/09/11
Well I THINK that windows is smarter than that. If you dont disable WFP then windows will just overwrite the fake file.
Though it is easy to tell. If you load differently after making the switch and you continue to load differently and faster then perhaps you are right. Though if it is so why would someone as savvy as Cics do extra steps, and why wouldnt someone have brought it up before. Like segers who found the simple method, etc.
Anyhow if Dawnrazor can do it, everyone should be able to cope.
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
Hi Dawnrazor,
It’s indeed very easy too tell, in various ways, if the switch to minlogon was successful or not. There is really no need for such patronizing post.
I would have liked you first studied how the WFP feature actually works. Especially from what directory the WFP retrieves the backup copies.
Mark
fully optimized cMP2 PC -> ESI Juli@ -> Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII-> Lavry Black DA10 -> XLR Mogami Gold -> Klein & Hummel O300
Hi Mark,
Sorry. I was shocked at your reply. I never intended to be patronizing. Didnt think I was being patronizing.
Sorry it came off that way.
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
Hi Dawnrazor,
I overreacted.
I should have lifted the thread back too the content-level and should have stuck too the WFP topic.
I instead I continued the thread on the level about persons.
My sincere apologies for that.
Mark
fully optimized cMP2 PC -> ESI Juli@ -> Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII-> Lavry Black DA10 -> XLR Mogami Gold -> Klein & Hummel O300
Hi Mark,
No worries. I have zero issues with you personally or any other way for that matter.
In fact I learn a bunch from you.
Again sorry for the way I wrote that post.
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
Please!
One does wonder how much effect it would have but still there are few things more satisfying than deleting stuff out of XP.
At first I thought maybe I should not do the video stuff (thinking graphics in my head) but all the codec deletions you recommend (audio & video)are good ones and I think they do a small sq improvement. Certainly not as much as the audio codecs but worthwhile indeed.
Edits: 07/07/11 07/07/11
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