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In Reply to: RE: Other than jitter and bitperfect? posted by Presto on November 30, 2009 at 11:02:47
"Most PC spdif outputs are not good.""PC SPDIF Outputs are not audiophile quality."
Mobo or basic consumer sound cards' SPDIF output is not intended to be audiophile quality. They're not in question here. If you want an audiophile SPDIF from PC, you have to go with a good pro-audio sound card or a audiophile USB-to-SPDIF converter.
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what audiophile 192k capable usb to spdif converters are there?
192k capable have just recently started to appear, and although they're audiophile grade there is still room for improvement (as always).
The two I know of are:
M2Tech hiFace
http://www.m2tech.biz/products.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/153191-m2tech-hiface-usb-spdif-24-192khz-asynch.html
Musiland Monitor 01 USD
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/143908-musiland-monitor-01-usd-24-192-usb-spdif.html
I have both. They are not 'Audiophile'.
It's like M Audio calling its card 'Audiophile' and people buying it by the drove.
If its not like dCS, its not audiophile? LOL! Your expectations for something to be called audiophile are not "extreme", they're absurd! To each their own, I guess.
But don't ask me about these items as Audiophile products.
Fred,
How far off are they? What's your reference? Can they be modded (within reason) to audiophile standard?I know the Musiland's synthesised audio clock is it's main weakness & it's SPDIF output needs attention.
The M2Tech has avoided the synthesised clock by using two local clocks - is it a step up from the Musiland? Anything else need addressing to bring it to audiophile standard?
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How long is a piece of string?
The Musiland sounds decent relocked and with external power and a proper bnc 75R socket. I am very annoyed with these 'updates' that fail to recognise the card (1.0.7.0) and impossible to register users' forum. With all the trade they are getting, they should at least sort the website (yes, I read Chinese).
I shall tell you about the M2Tech when I am ready.
But neither are 'Audiophile' in my book in relation my my rather 'extreme' dCS system setup.
There is no point in pursuing the 'ultimate' with limited budget stuff as one virtually has to re-engineer the thing. It surprises me that people can but a $150 sound card and then spend $2-300 on regulators and XOs as well as put in $3000 worth of time.
Maybe I have gone too old.
I'm not looking for the best, just an evaluation of how close it gets you with some mods! I don't believe in spending 1,000s on my music system (never mind regulators or XOs) - but I believe that it's possible to get a good way there with a limited budget, especially now that some decent sounding & decently priced alternatives are appearing like the Musiland, M2Tech & Squeezebox touch. Of course it does require some time input & some DIY skills but that in itself is part of the enjoyment, for me anyway.
Just trying to evaluate what bang for the buck there is available & if it's within 10% of the audiophile reference, as you see it! So how far off the dCS are these units 10%, 20%?
Look forward to your opinion on the M2tech HiFace
PS. can you not register on the site - if you speak chinese I would have thought that it should be easy - I couldn't do it as I believe it was asking for chinese characters to be input to verify that I was a carbon-based life form. I got coolfungadget a seller on Headfi to register me.
Which one of these 2 do you find better, the M2Tech or Musiland 01 USD?
I have the Musiland, now loaned to a friend, because I got tired of waiting for the M2Tech. The Musiland is an improvement over the E-mu 0404 USB I normally use...but I am not missing it all that much while my friend tries it. I may even give it to him for Christmas.
So, now I am wondering if I'll try the Musiland 02 or shoot again for the M2Tech, which is now becoming more available, after all.
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