Audio Asylum Thread Printer

Get a view of an entire thread on one page

Computer Audio Asylum

RE: If Bert Doppenberg and crew are interested I am too!

70.112.218.202

In Reply to: RE: If Bert Doppenberg and crew are interested I am too! posted by Dawnrazor on June 29, 2007 at 22:32:15

Dawnrazor, Ive read a lot of your posts, and consider you to be both reasonable and knowledgeable, but consider this.

>>Call me weird, but I would rather spend a weekend creating the look of a player and messing with output options a plugins, than paying for a player that wont install and I have to post on some forum just to get it >>to install.>>

If you are willing to spend a weekend fussing with Foobar, why not spend a little time with XXHighEnd, I doubt if it would take anywhere near a weekend. After all, it is still in the very first stages of release, and glitches should be expected.

>>I am all for a simple player that non-pc people can use. In fact we as a PC audio community really need such a thing. So far, at least for me XX Highend is not it, since it doesnt even play.>>

There are a lot of folks who have gotten it to run, some have a whole lot less technical savvy than yourself, so I don't think it's fair to say it "doesn't even play", obviously it does. It might be fair to say that your one attempt to get it to run was unsuccessful.

Who knows, possibly you have deleted or disabled parts of your operating system, in order to make Foobar work, that it is interfering with the installation of XXHighEnd. I really don't know, but if you had a problem you might have given Peter a shot to straighten it out before giving up.

I've done quite a bit of reading on Peters forum, and come to a couple of conclusions. One, it is not a finished product. Word had gotten out, and Peter was being urged by many to release it. Apparently it is good enough to allow folks to enjoy it, but there are still a few problems. The other is that when problems are pointed out Peter doesn't seem to get defensive, but sees it as an opportunity to improve it. At least that is my take, a little hard to understand because English is a 2nd language for him, however his English is MUCH better than my Dutch (or whatever).

The gist is, I don't know what it sounds like because my system is not ready yet. I just want people on this forum, who do have a lot of knowledge, to give it a fair shot, and report back. I don't think half hearted attempts, and outright dismissals are constructive.

twystd

Follow Ups:

RE: If Bert Doppenberg and crew are interested I am too! - Dawnrazor 18:16:45 06/30/07 (2)
T,

Much of what you write is true, and I appreciate what you are saying. I have made more than a few attempts to get this going. Others here are trying as well, but aren't having luck either.

But after Peter's last post I doubt I'll try anymore. I am certain that it is not a languange thing.

The other is that when problems are pointed out Peter doesn't seem to get defensive, but sees it as an opportunity to improve it.

This has not been my experience at all unfortunately.

I wish you the very best of luck on your system. If you need an easy to install, easy to setup (cover art, lyrics, crossovers, room correction, etc), powerful alternative to XXHighend e-mail me and I will be more than happy to get you going.
- RE: If Bert Doppenberg and crew are interested I am too! - PeterSt 01:49:32 07/03/07 (0)
  Hi,
  
  > I am certain that it is not a languange thing
  
  I won't use this as an excuse, but I excuse myself if I offended you. I really didn't try to, but just tried to put an (unlucky ?) example with some Ferrari to indicate that I just can't do this alone in cases.
  
  > But I'll get it going without your help. For you. Don't bother.
  
  This certainly might be dutch, prone to wrong interpretation. This will be about the "don't bother", which any dutch could interpret as "don't let it tire you if you don't want". The "for you" I meant just the same, and that I just *could* get it going without your help was because luckily someone else just jumped in at that time of writing. But it doesn't look good, I'll admit that. Sorry.
  That these really rough errors (demo -quit) shouldn't be there in the first place is very clear to me, but in cases (like this one) unavoidable. Maybe you want to checkout the origine of the OP, whom I asked to check right this out for himself first, but he was too anxious to post here first instead. Please don't blame him, as I don't either, and in the end there's only one to blame : me. Otoh, I tell you about this to show a little decency from my side, and it might explain things.
  
  Of course, all is in the context of you, having the problem, not helping me with it, so I'd be stuck if all of those having the problem wouldn't help. There's just nothing left to do for me then !
  
  Please, I tried to make that clear with the Ferrari example.
  
  Now, without -again- trying to offend you, I am much trying to get this player ready for you all, and it is not helping very much when you're only spreading the word that it just aint nothing much just because it isn't ready. For that matter, I was forced to provide something to get rid of the demo version (I know, I could give it for free), and I myself really was the last person wanting that. It grew like this over time.
  
  I am not trying to sell anything and merely like you all to have a good time with better quality playback. That I ask money for it is the result of further demands you out there have, will have, and ought to have. Please remember I started this all with writing the player for my own. It just grew into this ...
  
  I will help whenever I can, and so far I don't think you can prove otherwise. By this I'm not saying that I will have *all* of the answers, but at least I'll try my very best.
  I think (but who am I) that it is the most obvious that in order to get helped you (anyone) should put the problem or ask the question. Phasure.com is the place to be for that and passively waiting with the conclusion that the problem doesn't get away ... how can I deal with that.
  
  Lastly, this player is in beta, and it says so in the releasenotes, as well as that the releasenotes list the problems. The paying option is only, and really only there to get rid of the demo mode. I can show you dozens of emails and posts where I was urged for that.
  
  Now don't get mad at me because of anything in the above; if you feel you are anyway, it really can be my english only. Or it is just me, but then unintenional.
  
  Peter
- RE: If Bert Doppenberg and crew are interested I am too! - twystd 22:21:46 07/02/07 (0)
  Yeah, That last response from Peter WAS pretty defensive. I appreciate the offer for getting me started, hopefully I'll figure it out. Don't be surprised if you get a whining email from me some day!:> 0 Really do appreciate the offer. When I finally get my system up and running, I'd like to try both players, and report back.
  
  twystd
I'm wondering - SeVeReD 17:50:11 06/30/07 (2)
"Who knows, possibly you have deleted or disabled parts of your operating system, in order to make Foobar work, that it is interfering with the installation of XXHighEnd. I really don't know, but if you had a problem you might have given Peter a shot to straighten it out before giving up."

I'm running WinXP

I'm wondering if this isn't my problem with getting XXHighend to run. If I've deleted/disabled something that I thought might not needed to run Foobar well. I had ok results in sound quality when I got rid of some processes and I ran msconfig and shut down as much as I dared which also helped Foobar sound better in some instances. I would think all players would benefit from this care... wonder what XXHighend would need that I shut down? I have a usb dac; so in Sounds and Audio Devices Properties to get around Kmixer I:

"Bypassing Kmixer by Lynn

"I think I have the answer for this issue.
1. Open the Windows Control Panel
2. Open Sounds And Audio Devices
3. Select the Hardware Tab
4. Select your sound card in the list
5. Click Properties Button
6. Select Properties Tab on the Sound Card Properties Panel
7. Click on the Mixer + sign
8. Select your sound card on the list
9. Click Properties button
10. Click option box 'Do Not Use Mixer Features On This Device'
11. Click Apply, and then OK.
12. Re-boot
13. Windows Mixer will no longer use the device.
There may be simpler series of steps to get a device out of Window's mixer, but I have tested the above and it works. The volume control for Windows will be disable (and assuming you have only 1 sound card, Windows will report 'no audio device). Foobar through ASIO will work fine and control the volume."

I wonder if this could be a problem for the player... guess i'll go undo it. and see hehe

btw I always like to mention bypassing Kmixer... this was a big big biggest improvement I heard when getting into computer audio. Presto does it a safer way by choosing another audio card.
- RE: I'm wondering - Dawnrazor 18:23:02 06/30/07 (1)
  Sev,
  
  i checked mine and I have been using my non audio pc, and it does map through the onboard audio, and I had the same demo window then nothing like you had....so I don't think that is it.
  - thx well then it's not that n/t - SeVeReD 18:56:33 06/30/07 (0)
    ya didn't change anything for me when I switched it back to Use This Device

Post a Followup:

FAQ

Post a Message!

Forgot Password?

Moniker (Username):
Password (Optional):
	Remember my Moniker & Password (What's this?) Eat Me
E-Mail (Optional):
Subject:

Message:	(Posts are subject to Content Rules)

Optional Link URL:
Optional Link Title:
Optional Image URL:
Upload Image:
E-mail Replies:	Automagically notify you when someone responds.

To view your new posting or follow-up, click on the RELOAD or REFRESH button on your browser.