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In Reply to: RE: Oppo Sonica DAC posted by RadioWonder on December 22, 2016 at 06:08:16
I didn't care much for the HA-1 as a DAC, all of the things I don't like about Delta Sigma DAC aplified.
That said, the balanced headphone amp that was part of the box was SO good that I forgot how much I didn't like the DAC, at least when I used it as a DAC/Balanced Headphone Amp.
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I'm not convinced that you dislike Delta Sigma DACs. Yes, we both owned the OPPO HA-1 and as DACs go, I wasn't very impressed. BUT... I have owned other Delta Sigma DACs that sound wonderful! You should try one that sounds wonderful like I have. ;-)
It is not up to you to be convinced; the guy says so.
If you cannot accept what others say, do not pollute threads here.
Your post also betrays the character of your pointless posts.
You obviously missed or did not comprehend the smiley face and the humorous tone of my post to Ivan.
I really don't care what type of DAC chip you or anyone else says they like or dislike. Everyone has their own preferences.
That said, it may well be that what I don't like about Delta Sigma DACs may be implementation rather than the actual Delta Sigma DAC itself.
That's why I am most interested in early reports of the ESS9028.
Regards DSD, having heard native DSD files (Channel Classics, no PCM conversions in the chain) played back on really good (expensive) gear, I know what DSD is capable of.
All of this fuss about up-sampling PCM to higher DSD (256-512?) has me curious and the new GUSTARD DAC-X20U PRO at $800 with I2S input (no USB card) sounds interesting.
It is not a question of defense but internet manners in which one should accept at face value what is said. Any disagreement should be up for discussion and not for posters who feel that they are so 'expert' that they 'lord' over everyone else's views.
In this case, the poster knows essetially very little about good audio practice based on knowledge and not on assumptions, right or wrong.
Wrt Gustard X20 Pro, there is no reason to assume that the Singxer would be better. The Gustard has the U8 chip (8 Core) and uses Accusilicon XOs which have very low phse noise when you compare these with the ones in the SU1. There is also iolation built in as in the SU1, although sonically this can be good or not so good. So, for you dollars, you may as well start with the Gustard with the USB board.
while likely better than the AMANERO in my current DAC, still does not convert USB to I2S at DSD 512, which is one of the discussion points in this thread. Those who have upgraded from the AMANERO to the Singxer card think it's a big step up even at PCM 24/96. If my current residence had a decent place to work, I'd try slapping the Singxer card into one of my Audio-GD DACs first.
Regards DSD 512, neither does the Singxer box at this point, maybe soon.
For the $$ the GUSTARD seems a bargain, without without the USB card.
I just don't get why people don't like DSD.
To quote Multi-Ch people, if you don't don't like it. you haven't heard it done right.
I can't imagine anything better than my Sony Z1 in "Full Sony Mode,"
that is DSEE, Precision Upsampling and Remastering Engine.
So much better than Mytek and Lampiztor, Marants 8005, Exasound E22, Korg D100 that I've had here.
The new Marantz "10" ($7000!!!) has their own version called Marantz Musical Mastering.
PS Audio high end stuff is DSD 10x, but I guess isn't Delta Sigma, and also out of my price range.
PSAudio Direct Stream comes to mind.
Overall, I prefer R-R ladder DACs such as the Audio Note, Audio-GD, etc.
I have found most (but certainly not all) Delta Sigma DACs to be a bit to 'detailed' for my taste but..
I'm an old vinyl guy who prefers the sound of vinyl, tubes and horns to more modern 'hi-fi' gear such as digital, solid state and 'cones and domes'.
And I sure wish I had the $50 grand for a new Trinity DAC pictured above!
16 each PCM1704U-K.
I only have 8 in my Audio-GD Master 7. :-(
Interesting that you said "too detailed."
Some have said it's too rounded, or "sanded."
To my ears some DSD sounds almost as if the music were sanded and polished with very fine grit sandpaper. ;-) Sometimes it sounds unnaturally smooth.
DSD is easier to decode, but unless you are recording in DSD and do not convert to PCM to edit, there is little benefit.
PSAudio converts PCM to DSD within the box, HDTracks appears to do the same in software, albeit inside of a necessarily noisy computer?
If ever I decide to get into DSD I likely with either wait until King Wa at Audio-GD tackles the new ESS9028, as he must as he is running out of PCM1704U-Ks, or the new GUSTARD X20U PRO. The only reason I would consider such a thing is if I decided to use software like HDTrancks to convert PCM to DSD. I don't anticipate ever becoming a heavy user of the Hi Rez downloading services.
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